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2012 Porsche 911 seven-speed manual layout revealed?

 2012 Porsche 911 seven-speed manual layout revealed?
Porsche 911 seven-speed manual rendering - 6.7.2011 / Autobild.de

Harbinger of things to come?

If you were intrigued by reports the 2012 Porsche 911 would feature a seven-speed manual, here's what the layout will look like according to AutoBild.

While the image is photoshopped, the publication says we can expect a fairly traditional layout with the seventh gear added on the top right. This should make the change pretty easy to get used to, but it still seems somewhat curious that Porsche had to add an extra cog to eke out an additional mpg or two for the motorway.

So what do you think, is the seven-speed manual the harbinger of things to come or should we just stick with six-speed units? Let us know in the comments below.

Source: Autobild via Jalopnik

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997TT
Seems logical enough, we can see from the 5 gear tranny from the older days, and progressing to the 6 gearsnof today just extending the H pattern. Potentially 8 gears looks to be coming closer and now it can be implemented to the Manual box.
Jul 8, 2011 12:44 am
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RODHA
@saytamaner--I'm not sure why people are trying to judge me but you should be open minded for different thoughts. I don't care if you are a fan of manuel gear boxes or not so you shouldn't care about my taste. Besides mercedes F100 concept has been revealed in 1991, which you are unaware of, and includes many advancements as a showcase. Joysticks are deffinetly not a porper replacement for the steering wheels (because of maneuverability) but obviously there will be a proper resplacement when it is invented. And yes I will be the first to backup a new technology. If the industry had followed your point of view, we would still be driving cars with drum brakes and huge steering wheels right???
Jul 7, 2011 8:38 am
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saytamaner
I really don't care about anybody's taste, but I do care when you say "we should get rid of the manual gearboxes as soon as possible". Unlike the drum-disc brakes or any other underlying technology, a car's input devices (steering wheel, gear lever, pedals and handbrake lever) -and lack of them- affect the way we drive and enjoy the car so your analogy is not a valid one.
Jul 7, 2011 9:04 am
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Sacto8780
While it sounds like a good idea, here's the problem: Porsche's own testing with their own Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK) dual-clutch paddle-shift gearbox shows that they can lap Nürburgring _faster_ than a conventional six-speed manual, thanks to no more time wasted constantly pressing the clutch pedal before changing gears. This has been confirmed by PDK-equipped versions of the Cayman and 911 Turbo. Why do you think Ferrari now uses their own dual-clutch gearbox on essentially every new model since the California hardtop convertible?
Jul 7, 2011 7:46 am
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saytamaner
Do you really think that we the-manual-gearbox-fans care about the speed difference ? Then you never understood why we prefer the manuals.
Jul 7, 2011 8:01 am
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RODHA
@LBento No, actually I have got nothing to do with the States. I'm just a pure enthusiast of automotive and technology. I simply don't like old and technically outdated stuff. Besides, I agree with "MadAboutCars" about mis shifting. There is no possbile way to use a 7 speed shifter swiftly.
Jul 7, 2011 5:12 am
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saytamaner
Mercedes-Benz have been experimenting on a new technology which would replace steering wheels with joysticks. I guess you would be the first in line to have it 'cause you never like to be seen in a car with the outdated technology, don't you ?
Jul 7, 2011 8:18 am
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LBento
I don't want to sound mean. But calling manual outdated is from somebody that does not have driven a lot of cars. It might be old, but not outdated. I have tested a different varity of cars. A Bentley, yes I want an auto, a R8 YES I WANT A MANUAL PLEASE! Just do not call manuals oudated, it sounds really bad
Jul 7, 2011 10:01 am
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holmstar
While you may not be able to shift a manual as quickly as a dual clutch auto, you have a lot more control over how the clutch engages, and there isn't a nanny to prevent you from downshifting if the computer doesn't feel that you'll have enough revs left after the shift.
Jul 7, 2011 12:45 pm
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MadAboutCars
This layout is a complete failure, a potential mis shift from 4 to 7 could occur. 1 and 2 should be sequentially on the same line or 6 and 7 rather
Jul 7, 2011 4:03 am
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nahidrahman
no, you would just have a pressure sensitive gate. you would need to push harder to the right when shifting from 6th to 7th. just like when putting it into reverse in some boxes.
Jul 7, 2011 8:29 am
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holmstar
1st and 2nd ARE in the line. The gear up and to the left is reverse.
Jul 7, 2011 12:41 pm
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radmeister
That's about as likely as mis-shifting into reverse when down shifting from 2-1....I'm sure they will use the exact same mechanism for 7th as they do for reverse where you push the gear lever down in order for it to activate that gate...Plus 4th 7th is not that big of a deal, not like you would stall anyways..And maybe you shouldn't be driving a porsche or a manual if you are worried about mis-shifting what appears to be a pretty easy shift...
Jul 7, 2011 5:50 pm
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997TT
How is this layout a complete failure? Have you driven a Porsche manual box car? Misshifts are not something you do easily, yes it can happen, for everyone who owns a manual box they know how to use their cars, unless you can't drive a manual this isnt probably for you. I am for one admire the new PDK, but I wouldnt buy one because given the option Id take manual all day!
Jul 8, 2011 12:51 am
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RODHA
"So what do you think, is the seven-speed manual the harbinger of things to come or should we just stick with six-speed units? Let us know in the comments below." Neither of them. I think we should get rid of the manual transmissions as soon as possible. Nobody please complains about the pleasure of the conventional shifting. Even Ferrari has left the manual transmissions behind altough they were the best in the market. I belevie that flapy pedal shifting is much more fun and precise when coupled with multi-clutch gearboxes.
Jul 7, 2011 3:32 am
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LBento
You are american, aren't you?
Jul 7, 2011 3:41 am
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nahidrahman
manuals and autos have their place. it doesnt mean manuals are now obsolete just because (OMG) ferrari dont use them any more. also not all flappy paddle boxes are ideal. and you arent likely to get one decent enough unless you're driving a supercar. furthermore, what we need to do is integrate manuals, DSGs and paddle shifters. Imagine a proper manual, be it 7 speeds for arguments sake. now you feel too lazy and wish you had an auto- no problem. select auto and your 'box will shift itself- the manual gear knob moving itself as the gears change. if you feel very enthusiastic and want to drive like an F1 driver, then start shifting with the steering mounted paddles (likewise your manual knob will still move with every shift). that technology would be PERFECT. all the basic tech is out there - paddles, actuators, automated manuals, double clutch tech, etc. someone needs to bring all of it together.
Jul 7, 2011 8:28 am
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thethirdjq
It would be nice if it was a tall gear, not needed but there, to be used at speed and really increased the mpg.
Jul 6, 2011 9:59 pm
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EMBJATI85
i like this idea porsche is awsome
Jul 6, 2011 9:43 pm
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nederinaa
Oh crap, one of my cars is still a three speed auto with overdrive! I guess the more powerful and faster a car gets, it deserves an extra ratio. Well done porsche, thank you for saving a three pedal car!
Jul 6, 2011 7:08 pm
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HolySteel
Miss-shift inc.! (like from 4th into 7th) This is almost as stupid as those on-steering-wheel shifters they used to have.
Jul 6, 2011 7:04 pm
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audi_nut
hope this is true and other car manufactors foloow suit *Cough AUDI Cough* !!!.
Jul 6, 2011 6:42 pm
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mb74
I would prefer another cog if redline was approaching in 6th, it happens, but I doubt it would happen as much in 7th. Of course this is a little uncouth on public roads. I'm just saying, there have been times in the past for all of us...
Jul 6, 2011 5:50 pm
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saytamaner
I really don't care if my gearbox has six or seven gears as long as it is manual. I even can live with five gears very happily. Shame on other manufacturers who stopped offering manuals. Shame on the ones who replaced proper handbrake levers with buttons.
Jul 6, 2011 5:19 pm
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djcocum
Amen!
Jul 7, 2011 7:25 am
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BushMaster
++1!
Jul 7, 2011 10:54 am
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clash_189
iy your car is big, the lever isn't a problem, but when it's not then electronic hand brake makes more sense and make you forget to check whether you have pulled it up or down correctly or not because it's only a matter to touch down/up
Jul 8, 2011 1:32 am
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Artist
i think the purists would love the idea, actually being implemented being a dream come true but to the larger audience this is kind of wierd. i myself prefer manuals but this seems just a proof that they can make it. i mean, who cares about mpg when buying a 911? i guess that if this becomes a success other companys might "borrow" the idea.
Jul 6, 2011 4:13 pm
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holmstar
MPG adds to the practicality though. Porsche does like to tout their cars as being practical. I used to drive a Mazdaspeed 6 which has a six speed that is geared for torque rather than MPG. It was a lot of fun and It was easy to pass other vehicles without downshifting from 6th gear in that car, but I always felt that it could have used a taller gear for highway driving. If Porsche is actually using the 7th gear as a tall overdrive, then I approve.
Jul 7, 2011 12:35 pm
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catchmyshadow
that´s why i love Porsche. they are loyal to their old school customers and they don`t forget where they are coming from!
Jul 6, 2011 3:20 pm
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eddie
Porsche and BMW seem to be the primary leaders in mass production technology and others follow. I am sure they did their R&D
Jul 6, 2011 3:09 pm
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SnakesInMyPants
Yeah, Mercedes, Audi, and Volvo are a bunch of slackers. /s
Jul 6, 2011 6:36 pm
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shaahinmt
yep up in the front line of useless tech that no one wants or cars about. Why not add 10 gears? Isn't more gears better according to Porsche?
Jul 8, 2011 3:05 pm
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