BMW weighing engine options for next M3

 BMW weighing engine options for next M3
2011 BMW M3 Competition Package - 08.04.2010

Four power plants are under consideration to drive the next-generation BMW M3 due in 2013

According to a report by M3post.com, BMW is considering four different engines as possible power plants for the next-generation M3 which is due in 2013.

An M3post.com source close to the Bavarian brand's M-division, has laid out the details.

First up would be to slap a TwinPower bi-turbo onto the 4.0 liter V8 (S65) unit of the current M3. The advantage would be a few extra horses but with a lot more torque over the current configuration while still improving fuel-economy.

Another option would be the N55 or N54 (and reverting the M3 to a straight-six power plant) - the 3.0 liter inline six-cylinder engine that BMW configures with either a single (N55) or twin-turbo (N54) with TwinPower (twin-scroll) technology for various output levels. The configuration would have to be modified, of course, to delivery power outputs up to or past the 420 PS / 309 kW mark. But this engine works in terms of costs since it is used in several other models.

The crazier option is jamming the (S63) 4.4 liter twin-turbo V8 unit that will be going into the next M5 and M6 models into the confined engine bay under the next-generation 3-Series bonnet. The power plant could easily be detuned down to appropriate levels but would not deliver the fuel-economy goods BMW is likely looking for in the next M3 nor would it be an option for the likes of the Z4 with which the next M3 could share a power plant to spread costs.

A saner option would be a V6 block (blasphemous to many M3 church members) based on the S63 unit. According to the source, BMW is currently favoring this option. How many turbos it would have remains a question.

All fun stuff to ponder.

Which do you prefer or think is the most plausible?

Source: M3post.com

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 swifthead swifthead
I think that BMW will not put any V8 in, too heavy and lesser fuel economy...another thing is that possibility of V6 Biturbo is quit high because it saves space in engine bay and it can be put back for better weight distribuion...then R6 Twin Turbo has also big chances to find it's way under new M3 because BMW should look at it's heritage and typical sound from R6...but I doubt because R6 engine is longer and it must be leaned to get under the hood...anyway the benefits are also financial...it would be shared with 1-series M engine, but that also puts it's distinctivness away...M3 should have 4.0L R6 Twin Turbo and at least 450hp...make it 480 :))))))
May 20, 2011 8:34 am
 JB855T5 JB855T5
BMW using a V6? No way! I am convinced the only BMW worthy option would be the straight six. Favoring the N54 with upgraded turbo's and internals. A V8 with turbo's is not likely at all, and putting turbo's on the S65 makes no sense at all. Back to the way it should be I say, a straight six! :)
May 20, 2011 8:48 am
 Microice Microice
Tricky...BMW hasn't been keeping with tradition recently with FWD and turbo 4 pots coming up so don't be shocked with a V8 turbo or dare I say a V6 turbo M3...
May 20, 2011 9:15 am
 benz_man benz_man
I'd put all my eggs in the N54 basket. N55 maybe, but def no V6 or s63, doesnt make financial sense.
May 20, 2011 9:17 am
 Hellbound Hellbound
It would make financial sense for BMW, but not for us. The next M3 will cost more than the current model. Sure, it may weigh less, but that's because of the proposed lighter engine. I'd be in favor of the V6 if it meant the RRP came down with it.
May 20, 2011 9:20 am
 EMBJATI85 EMBJATI85
v6 twin turbo would be a good rival for the gtr
May 20, 2011 9:28 am
 clash_189 clash_189
Base on the context of both financial, performance and ecological, my choice would be none of the 4 but straight five hybrid, electric motor with approx 80kw/110ps in the back and 2.5 l straight 5 (similiar will be found in 325 if BMW decides to keep 325 with bespoke engine and not detuned 3.0l as in 125) in the front with couple of turbos (the loss of one cylinder is to accommodate those force inductions)to produce 360ps hp and mixed of both will get 470ps or nearly 450hp (not bad but not great). This engine will also easily re-developed to get straight 6 for GTS or whatever it is in the future with near 500hp (do we really need it? with M5 only 75hp more). I will wish next M5 got diet into 100kg less heavy than now and not "100kg less heavy than the car supposed to do after all those toys", takes airbag into 6 only (front, side and curtain) after back is useless, thinner glass for rear window (it is no longer can be operated as in E46), whole hood, roof, boot and doors are carbon made and lastly lighter and simpler electronic part for electric seats (people in garage say it is really heavy to remove electric seat when they do checking for damaged cable). By this time, I still hope for nastier 7 series with more hp from the 740 3l turbo to produce 400 hp and weight saving for 150kg to 200kg (mean net weight is approx little less than 1800kg-not much more than new S60 3.0l AWD) and BMW called it 745i
May 20, 2011 9:31 am
 GSS5 GSS5
TWIN TURBO V8. THEN I WILL BUY IT. I PROMISE!
May 20, 2011 11:59 am
 GSS5 GSS5
Sure smaller lighter engines were what M3s used to be about. But times are changing. And when you can make a V8 efficiently with forced induction and tons of tuning potential, why the hell not. The E92 fared unarguably extremely well with the high revving S65 V8 and slapping twin turbos onto that can only make it better. The turbos would add so much tuning potential and the M3 would still have its edge over its NA/FI competitors at high altitudes. And no matter what, you can't make any 4, 5 or 6 cylinder engine sound as good as a V8. That's a fact.
May 20, 2011 12:05 pm
 PawL PawL
why is a lot of people against a V6? I know it's not a good financial option for BMW, but why are you against it? I would like to see a 3.0 twinturbo V6 in the next M3, developing around 460 hp.
May 20, 2011 12:55 pm
 swifthead swifthead
well definately we will see 6-cylinders...now if they will take traditional way and put in R6 or they might take new way with V6...we will see, what matters and it is important is to be turbocharged...two of them to be exact :D P.S. - BMW was suprised with success of Nissan GT-R...so they will look after it...but without AWD and tons of computers :D
May 20, 2011 1:20 pm
 ClintonM3 ClintonM3
I seriously doubt a V configuration. BMW has decades of development behind their inline 6. My money is on I6, twinscroll turbo, hybrid & KERS power boost.
May 20, 2011 1:27 pm
 MAGJR1219 MAGJR1219
I'll take the n54 without the problems not that n55 twin power bs the 1 series m cp has the n54 & dialed up to 380hp so im sure for the m3 they should be able to tune it well over 414hp but the torque will be the big improvement
May 20, 2011 1:38 pm
 JB855T5 JB855T5
Why against V6? Well because it would destroy the image. A straight six is better when it comes to vibrations. BMW always strongly believed in straight six's, if they drop that image they'll destroy a piece of history. But the way things are going lately I guess it should not come as a surprise. I don't like the new BMW, they lost their emotion. Like they did with the Mini (after the new Mini). I don't understand this ongoing need to have more horsepower every new M3/M5/etc? Where does it stop? Concentrate on making car lighter for ***sake! Imagine the GTR weighing a few hundred kg less :)
May 20, 2011 2:38 pm
 AG4 AG4
BMW should just give it the 450PS NA 4.4 liter V8 used in the M3 GTS.
May 20, 2011 4:57 pm
 nederinaa nederinaa
I second that, naturally aspirated is the way to go. Who cares what AMG and RS models are doing? They should follow Porsche with its naturally aspirated GT3. If you want a twin turbo cruiser, get a 335i or a 340, 350i or whatever.
May 21, 2011 8:49 am
 Jon88ix Jon88ix
BMW = I-6 ONLY!! no V motors!!
May 20, 2011 5:20 pm
 archytype archytype
I have the N54 it is quick at any speed but craves more power. If modified to 450 horsepower this would be a wonderful car. The V-8 option wouldn't be as popular, when I see a V-8 I just think thirsty.
May 21, 2011 4:42 am
 nederinaa nederinaa
I drive a E90 M3 V8 sedan with DCT and I have to say the day-to-day consumption levels are pretty good, just like the straight six. BMW please keep the current v8 as i don't think any new M turbocharged engines will win any awards soon
May 21, 2011 11:03 pm
 benz fan benz fan
Many years ago BMW stated they would never use forced induction to power there cars,now all there range have a turbo variant,they have done away with tradition and are following the market as they should so a V6 is not out of the question
May 21, 2011 6:23 am
 scratchy996 scratchy996
many years ago they didn't know they will be forced to use turbos because of CO2 emissions regulations.
May 21, 2011 11:16 pm
 Steven Steven
Looks like the next BMW M3 will be a better car for housewives and douchebags. My S85 powered M6 has not consumed any litre of Petrol more than my S65 M3. Any turbo or compressor fired engine of my owned cars has never consumed less petrol at the same class of car. What?s up in summertime with a turbo when you?ll have 40 degrees? I can tell you ? If you?re lucky just 20percentage of waste power. So all the unknowing customers and stupid believers believe in manufacturer of the new truth!? The loss of the high rev natural aspired Engines are just a Story for saving costs in evolution and assembly but never for fuel saving or less Co? output. BTW: If anyone should look serious for Co? reduction ? the mankind is putting out 80% of all Co? in the world. Like we don?t begin to kill people ? we should say fuck off to the turbo. Sorry BMW but the S85 and S65 were my last //M Cars from you, (after 10 models beginning from the E30 Sport Evo). Go ahead and kid some unknown ? but not me.
May 23, 2011 12:57 am
 nahidrahman nahidrahman
the problem with bmw M models is that the M engines arent bespoke enough like they used to. they are all versions of existing engines, but improved. the current M3 is the only one to still have an engine unused in the non-M line up. the 4.4V8TT used in the X5/6M and new M5 surely is an improved version in the 550i/50i models? the engine in the 1M is the same as the 335i/z4 35is albeit improved? fair enough they want to spread the costs of r&d but M engines should be special. atleast they should mark them out of the non-M engines. for the next M3 i'd suggest a biturbo straight 6- the same engine in the 1M but enlarged to about 3.3-3.6L. likewise i reckon the current M5/X5/6M should have also enlarged the engine to 4.6 or 4.8 (although the power output as standard is sufficient). think about it. i'm waiting for a 6.6L V12TT version of the 760i's engine in an R8 style halo car with hybrid drive :)
May 23, 2011 4:21 am