2011 Dodge Avenger revealed

Nahhh, its actually getting much better, their cars look like they have balls, and now they have a bit of performance to back it up. For us Dodge fans, Dodge has more work to do, but its definitely a dream and not a nightmare.

Lol, really? Uglier than the hideos smart, the Disgusting Tata? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but Ugly is a powerful word my man.

or be part of the fleet cars of private companies. No wonder everybody buys Japanese entry level cars...

Exzctly, we rent a but load of these at alamo, and the only other car thats so.... depressing is the Sebring and sebring convertible. love how after for months of rental use the sliver paint wears off the door armrests , Dodge why are wasting money building crap cars.

No offense Benz boy, but while the Sebring is the same car as the Avenger, its much, much uglier in an awkwardly boring kind of way. I don't dispute what you say, but the Sebring looks like crap...even if you hate the Avengers styling, its no where near as weird as the Sebring.

Because for some of us, poorer folk than an obviously upper class fellow like yourself, we want a Dodge...and driving this car in Winter with 10 cm of snow on the ground is much easier than its RWD cousin the Challenger/Charger, not say its "easy" but this is a car with adequate performance that can be driven year round in places like Quebec where Old Man winter messes with you daily.. Love all 3 cars but this car undercuts the cost of those 2 as well, despite the obvious performance disadvantages. So there are some reasons where this car sells.

In my part of Quebec you have your Spring\Summer\Fall Car and your 1000$ winter beater. You don't have to be rich to own one and it saves your (good car) from the salt. Anyway how is the dodge a particularly good winter car? It probably has an open front diff so it will get stuck like any other fwd car. I'll stick with my APV & DS-1 Dunlops.

@ Dolomight, 1, never said its good winter car, said its easier to drive and park than the RWD cousin the charger, especially if you don't own a house. 2) owning a winter beater is one way to go, but thats provided you can afford the insurance on two cars, however cheap the beaters insurance is and you can afford storage over winter for your summer car again if you don't have a house and you would rather not leave your "saturday night special" car parked on the street over winter, having to move it from one side to other when they have to clear the street. 3) from time to time you will get stuck with any FWD car as i have, but there's ways around it, and getting out of it As for the salt you're right, but even a "crap" car like this will see it properly/fully rust-proofed every winter in my hand, i have seen the adverse effects of not having it done on my current car. Having two cars just isn't an option, not right now and probably for some time regardless how many more hours i stack on.

Also the only really cheaper Dodge than the Avenger is the Caliber, other than the SRT-4, terrible car.

@ Xanavi, from what I gather you live in an apartment like 10 mins away from downtown Mtl, I'm guessing cote des neige. Anyway good modern RWD has a limited slip diff, like my buddy's GMC Canyon has a posi-trac. Also you can throw a couple of sandbags into your trunk\truck bed to increase your traction. Just don't try rwd drifting from nov to march and you should be ok.

Cote Des Neige was a solid guess, but no, i did used to live in a similar area for my first feww years of driving, so good guess. Good idea about sandbags, i wouldn't necessarily avoid a RWD car, cause i do prefer the Charger but just some things i would think about then again i realise, Chargers do come with 4WD optional. I would never try drifting even in summer, ive never really been a fan, more convention grip driving is my taste(not that i'ld push such limits on city streets).

Fiat has not bought Chrysler. Fiat has at present a 20% ownership stake given to them to partner with Chrysler after the US Government bailout. There are conditions to be bet met that will increase Fiat's stake. Fiat and it's CEO have stated repeatedly that unlike Daimler-Chrysler there will be true integration and that is one the pre-existing conditions. They will work together like Renault & Nissan. This first year the combined company will generate 2 billion is savings...not bad so far...wait till we see the new cars at the end of next year...

Fiat has not bought Chrysler. Fiat has at present a 20% ownership stake given to them to partner with Chrysler after the US Government bailout. There are conditions to be bet met that will increase Fiat's stake. Fiat and it's CEO have stated repeatedly that unlike Daimler-Chrysler there will be true integration and that is one the pre-existing conditions. The will work together like Renault & Nissan. This first year the combined company will generate 2 billion is savings...not bad so far...wait till we see the new cars at the end of next year...

Good correction Autoafficianado, wrong wording on my part, i was using the same wording as above by someone else, flawed on my part. Also to gain that 20%, they didn't actually "buy" stake in Chrysler if i remember correctly, that 20% was a trade of technology and research. One thing to really look out for is Chryslers plan of using a Fiat model as a base for a compact sedan which Chrysler as a whole really needs to obtain. It definitely does seem like a more involved alliance/team than Daimlers was. I remember 5-6 months ago seeing a clip on a car show in the States where Fiat had put a 599 GT and a couple other Ferrari's in a Chrysler booth, so its a pretty clear alliance that FIAT doesn't hide as much as Benz wanted to(as much as i like Benz, it wasn't a true alliance like you said).