GM fights off criticism of Volt

 GM fights off criticism of Volt
2011 Chevrolet Volt

Critics contend the Volt is not a true EV (electric vehicle) because the gasoline engine kicks in during a hard acceleration

General Motors is in a dispute with critics of its upcoming Chevy Volt, which the automaker touts as an all-electric car but critics say is just a plug-in hybrid.

Critics from publications such as Edmunds.com, Popular Mechanics, and Motor Trend magazine contend that the on-board gasoline engine kicks in on the Volt during a hard acceleration - and that makes it a hybrid.

GM calls the Volt an "extended range electric vehicle." The Volt features a gasoline engine which acts as a generator for the batteries that power the electric motor. It is the electric motor that drives the wheels - not the gasoline engine which is there to charge the batteries as the car is driving and extend its range. But the engine can also drive a secondary generator which provides power directly to the motor.

The set-up is similar to the Toyota Prius, which is labeled a hybrid. Its gasoline engine fuels a direct-drive generator that powers the electric motor which drives the wheels.

The Detroit automaker had previously gotten in trouble with critics when it rated the Volt's mileage at 230 miles per gallon (about 1 liter/100 km). The Environment Protection Agency, the arm of the United States federal government which rates vehicle mileage, refused to go along with that rating. Mileage figures on electric cars vary wildly because they depend so much on driving habits. Driven aggressively, the batteries on an electric car can be run down very quickly.

The criticism has been particularly harsh and beyond the usual skepticism of automaker hype. Edmunds.com accused GM of lying, titling one of its stories: "GM Lied: Chevy Volt is not a true EV."

The Chevrolet Volt goes on sale in the United States next month. Prices will start at $41,000, not including federal tax credits.

Source: Bloomberg

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 Kepex Kepex
Wasn't the whole idea of the Volt to be a pure EV? Also all the hype was based on it. This kind of kills all the buzz around it completely. It's just another Prius.
October 12, 2010 8:02 am
 Kepex Kepex
Oh, just one more thing I wanted to add. There's been a lot of discussion on how to calculate a proper mpg reading for an EV with a range extending engine. I have a solution: fill up the battery and the fuel tank and then simulate highway or city driving (whichever you want to test) until both the battery and the fuel tank are empty. Shouldn't this give a very accurate number for the fuel consumption on a long journey? And it should also be 100% comparable to a normal car's mpg. This method would also be fair towards other range extended EVs and hybrids, because if you always simulate only, say, a trip of 100km, wouldn't it be quite unfair if some range extended EV had enough battery capacity to travel the whole trip in electric mode only? Driving the battery and fuel tank completely empty will always give you the maximum range of the vehicle, and it's easy to calculate the average fuel consumption from those figures.
October 12, 2010 8:13 am
 majorsja majorsja
You are somewhat wrong! The gasoline only power the generator for the battery. There is no fuel needed to operate the car, only to supply energy to the battery.
October 12, 2010 8:17 am
 majorsja majorsja
Late last night, GM issued a press release (largely reprised on its Voltage site) entitled "Clearing up confusion about the Chevy Volt." The company noted, "some confusion has emerged about details of the Volt?s drive technology." Well, yes. Indeed. Electric yes, hybrid OK, gasoline-driven ... no
October 13, 2010 8:51 am
 majorsja majorsja
Here's the deal. We begged for them to do something like this and the after they do it, we critize them! That's the American way. Americans need to push GM higher and not downgrade it because a lot of jobs depend on GM's success with this. As for Edmunds, Motor Trend and Popular Mechanic, of course they hate the Volt because they are sponsored by gas guzziling compnaies, duh!
October 12, 2010 8:15 am
 dbehmoaras dbehmoaras
Exactly. People bashing GM is not doing anything helpful, especially when no other company has produced such an important concept nearly as close to production as GM has.
October 12, 2010 11:04 am
 CDspeed CDspeed
I was always well aware that GM was doing this to try and one up the Prius. There is one thing that has puzzled me, I could have almost sworn that when GM announced the production Volt they were calling it a Plug-in hybrid, then some time during the development they started calling it an extended range EV? I do think that GM is trying to make the Volt look better than it really is. And really they wouldn't be facing criticism if they would just call it a Plug-in hybrid, it does burn gasoline.
October 12, 2010 8:33 am
 TheAlchemist TheAlchemist
"I do think that GM is trying to make the Volt look better than it really is" .....nailed it
October 12, 2010 10:59 am
 dbehmoaras dbehmoaras
In the wise words of Jay-Z, "F--k critics they can kiss my whole 455hole!" It seems that people want to do nothing other than bash GM. Who the hell cares that its not EV? What matters is end result! If this thing can really achieve 230mpg, GM will be miles ahead of the competition.
October 12, 2010 11:02 am
 6SPEEDV8 6SPEEDV8
but it can't achieve 230 mpg.
October 12, 2010 11:43 am
 B_M_Gearhead B_M_Gearhead
This is regarding the Prius and taken straight from Wikipedia: "An HSD transaxle contains a planetary gear set that adjusts and blends the amount of torque from the engine and motor(s) as it?s needed by the front wheels." There is a Direct Mechanical connection between the engine and the drive wheels. On the Volt the engine powers only the Generator and there is no mechanical link for the engine to directly power the wheels, like on a Prius. I don't see what the critics are complaining about. Sure under hard acceleration possibly the batteries cannot keep up, then the engine fires up to produce the extra juice needed to make merging and lane changes safe.
October 12, 2010 11:30 am
 H3LUX H3LUX
it probably can. this is the best idea anyone has had for a EV. this car pretty much never runs outa power. i love it. i will be buying one. its awesome. you will see. if this was comming form europe everyone would b hyped up. give GM a break. they've gone 1 step above anyone else
October 12, 2010 12:24 pm
 JoeKav JoeKav
The fact that the words "criticism" and "volt" are in the same sentence on a well known auto news site will alone ripple off and cause a general dislike of the car and GM itself. Just you watch on the other sites and magazines if they say one thing bad about the volt after all of this hype it will cause GM stocks to fall. Then again if GM is smart they will come back with something to help uf forget... if they are smart. My money is on ford to do well the next 10-15 years at least to be #1
October 12, 2010 11:51 am
 joshg_5 joshg_5
Come on! Does it really matter what the technical definition of the car is? The whole reason this -and any hybrid/EV- exists is for fuel efficiency. As long as the Volt produces great, -scratch that- FANTASTIC efficiency numbers, who the hell cares what it's called? As everyone probably does and should know, small output turbo diesels are putting out VERY competitive efficiency numbers. And at the end of the day, they're cheaper and probably better overall for the environment because of the lack of lithium and other battery associated chemicals. Plus, the Volt is already old technology anyway. Go diesel!
October 12, 2010 1:10 pm
 alamak alamak
all this hype........like a lot of ppl going to jump on it and pay a premium price........i would buy a Prius if i wanted a hybrid......there is no point paying for such a high price. The gas saved on a hybrid is only advantageous when its driven for 10 years or more, for this Volt.....the price is way over any hybrid that it doesn't really save you any money even if you only use a little bit of gas once a while to charge the batteries.......all in all, its a good product, but price does not justify it. thats of course is my own humble opinion....
October 12, 2010 2:14 pm
 radmeister radmeister
Silly noobs, the volt is a joke..For one electricity last time i checked was not free, secondly the 2.3L engine is not very efficient. This car gets roughly 60mpg when you charge it from your home power outlet based on electricity cost/fuel cost, and once the engine kicks in to give you electricity the figures go down to around 53mpg. Also for the price of this jazzed up piece of crap cobalt you can buy a FULLY loaded Jetta TDI and still have 15000$ left over, which would get you diesel for 367,000km. So you can buy a TDI Jetta which will be much more reliable, and drive it for free for roughly 18 years for the same price as a volt.
October 12, 2010 3:37 pm
 Hellbound Hellbound
That's exactly what more and more people will do, buy highly efficient diesels like VWs Bluemotion. Only warped bigots who have eaten up a lot of media baloney go for over priced hybrids because they don't want to rely on 'foreign oil' from 'hostile nations'. Well screw those idiots, I'm all for long range diesels. The money saved can be spent on a weekend track car :)
October 12, 2010 5:30 pm
 LeroisF40 LeroisF40
The truth of the matter is that the concept of an extended range EV has its merrits. I am a true petrol head and love the old american iron and european cars. But from a purely efficiency driven motive this is the way to go. I forsee some varient with a small capacity diesel being developed that could have the real would capacity to offer 230mpg. The issue with the Volt is that this was sold to us as the reason why we as Americans had to bail GM out. This car will re-write the automotive future from price point and efficiency. Now the truth comes out and it is far from the promises made. Everyone that is critisizing has the right to. GM "over promised and under delivered" all the while taking our money and paying off an in-efficiet and overpaid work force that was the reason of their demise. My criticism come from all the dirty deals that were made with our tax money and the bond holders that invested their retirement money got sacrificed for the unions when the unions were the reason for the failure of GM. This car once again represents to me the inabbilities of the union and Government to deliver on any of their promises and their constant abbilities to drive exspenses through the roof with dirty back door hand shakes. I personally will never again by a single GM product based on the raping of the US taxpayer and the theft from the US citizens that invested with their money in the bonds and got sold out for the betterment of the union and its position in the company.
October 12, 2010 6:18 pm
 B_M_Gearhead B_M_Gearhead
Don't worry, in anticipation of your not purchasing a GM vehicle I went ahead and bought two. Oh and you being a Ferrari guy I would definitely stay away from certain models such as the 599 GTB and the 458 Italia as they both use MagnaRide shock absorbers that are produced by Delphi which makes them a product of GM. Not to mention the countless other control modules and fuel system bits that are made by GM as well.
October 12, 2010 8:43 pm
 LeroisF40 LeroisF40
if you took note to the pic you would see that the Ferrari in the pic is Pre-1990's and if you read any of the info in my profile you would see I only prefer 1987 and below Ferrari's. Any of which would not have a sniff of GM MagnaRide suspension. If you also read as to how I expressed myself you would see that their technology is not what I was attacking. I was attacking the ideals that the Government and the Union live by and how it is okay to fleece the American tax payer and the Private individuals that bought the bonds on the premise that if the company would ever go bankrupt, their investment would be asset backed in the sale of the company and its proceeds. As with many articles that were written on this case, they were sacrificed for the betterment of the Union and its employees and constituents. The laws for the bankruptcy were completely rewritten and altered for the Union under the promise of protecting thousands of jobs. Well curiously they still bought out thousands of job contracts, which in essence put those people out of work, and payed off the retirement packages that were to large and exspensive to begine with. Then after getting to take care of their long time dues payers they were gifted the largest controling portion of the company second only to the US Government. I was a GM stock owner and was one of the many left out to dry while the unions and the politicians all got taken care of. Let me ask you BM, how much stock did you have in GM when it went bankrupt??? Or are you a union guy that has payed his dues and now feels he has a right over all those that planned for their retirment by making what they thought were smart investment moves based on the laws put in place to make sure even through a bankruptcy they would be able to recoupe some of thier losses throught asset sale of their investments as much as they could. The unions have been the demise of the US auto manufacturing sector for years and yet they were handed the second largest portion of control in one of the companies that their mismanagment helped lead to its initial failure. You can buy your GM products and enjoy them all you want. The product is brought to you through corruption,greed and utter mismanagement.
October 12, 2010 10:41 pm
 iamkhanz iamkhanz
i just don't know why GM is creating bad publicity for itself... 230 miles/gal? i mean come on did they not think EPA was gona give that a NONO... probably if you drive like a grandma and counter act every accelertion with a brake to regenerate energy..and keep driving down hills... personally I'd stick with the Prius..even if the gov is giving a coupon to buy from the government... whatever man... that's no coupon considering prius decked out costs under 30.. why would I get DISCOUNT to buy a car for same price lower quality and first year model... sorry guys my two cents I know it's a little harsh.. and then they got that cruz that competes against the Civic...umm so why are you advertising a car on tv saying as shown $23K... isn't a fully decked out Civic EX or a Corolla XLE run under 20 still? ...humm Japanese bread and butter quality or American attempt at ripping you off with a first year model car.. I don't know guys which would you choose in that class?
October 13, 2010 2:21 am
 pekkie pekkie
If I could buy one in the UK - I would. I could drive it to work and back EVERY day and never use the combustion engine. Try doing that on a Prius!
October 13, 2010 5:33 am
 Targa_Florio Targa_Florio
Critics are stupid, it IS an electric vehicule, and it doesn't matter that it has an onboard generator! Would you call an EV car in France a nuclear car? An EV car in China a charcoal car? (most of French & Chinese electricity comes from nuclear powerplant & charcoal respectively)
October 13, 2010 9:16 am
 leadnsteel leadnsteel
For the price I would just get a hybrid. How the hell is going to want to spend 30000 for these?
November 7, 2010 10:20 am