Mercedes developing 9-speed automatic transmission - 9G-Tronic

 Mercedes developing 9-speed automatic transmission - 9G-Tronic
MB 7G-TRONIC Transmission

Will be used on large displacement engines

According to a recent report, Mercedes is developing a nine-speed automatic transmission.

Dubbed 9G-Tronic, the gearbox will offer improved fuel efficiency and reduced CO2 emissions compared to the seven-speed 7G-Tronic. It will be used on large displacement engines and possibly debut on the redesigned 2012 S-Class.

Going forward, Mercedes apparently believes nine gears is the maximum number of ratios that are technically possible. More importantly, the company thinks consumers won't accept a ten-speed unit.

As you may recall, the 7G-Tronic was the first seven-speed automatic transmission when it was introduced in 2003. In recent years, it has been outclassed by the new 8-speed ZF transmission used by Audi and BMW.

Source: autocar.co.uk

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 CarPictures.com CarPictures.com
Hmmm, that's great, but at what point does a CVT make more sense? 10 gears? 15 gears? Come to think of it, what happened to CVTs? They had such promise 10 years ago.
July 19, 2010 2:12 pm
 jale jale
not promising i guess...
July 19, 2010 2:19 pm
 Kepex Kepex
CVTs are alive and kicking. Here's a quick list of cars in production with a CVT I gathered from wikipedia. nissan versa, cube, sentra, altima and maxima. toyota prius and avensis. honda city. audi a4. ford focus c-max. mitsubishi lancer. seat exeo. subaru legacy and outback.
July 20, 2010 5:11 am
 Bremen_Koenigsegg Bremen_Koenigsegg
CVTs can't handle much power, as i understand it... and in reality, a 9-speed slush 'box would be damn near indistinguishable from a CVT; the only difference being automatic gearboxes are the industry standard whereas CVTs are to transmissions as wankel rotary engines are to power plants.
July 22, 2010 8:41 pm
 Edison Edison
Maybe consumers wouldn't accept a 10-gear tranny, because people, at least here in the US, would have an aversion to saying "I drive a 10-speed" :0).
July 19, 2010 2:32 pm
 my-wage.com my-wage.com
bycicles have 27-speed shifter, and they do not stop increasing the number of gears, even there you have to change by hand I can imagine, that in 10 years there will be 24-speed automatic transmissions as tractors have 72-speed transmissions as well the only problem is, that the development of CVT is seems to be finished, though the CVT can solve all this fuel consumption/efficiency problem with 1-speed quite well
July 19, 2010 2:45 pm
 odysseus odysseus
I'm happy with my fixie... ;))
July 20, 2010 4:58 am
 BavarianMS BavarianMS
With added gears, there comes a point where to much isn't a good thing. In my opinion 8 speed is already overkill and is only made for fuel economy for large torque monsters. With the new 760LI you could be doing 500rpm's going 45mph since its a TT V12. Great for fuel economy but I still only see them worth being used on large torque cruisers not sports cars.
July 19, 2010 3:23 pm
 archytype archytype
Despite 9 gears the transmission will still run at 3000RPM at 70mph making noise and burning extra fuel. Why? People like oomph anytime and don't like to wait for gear changes. I own a 2010 ML350 and the 7th gear is too high for highway cruising. But my '04 Honda Pilot does 70 at 2000 RPM and gets better gas mileage.
July 19, 2010 3:26 pm
 afterace2 afterace2
hey, why dont just put a ZF16 from an Actros instead ?
July 19, 2010 3:35 pm
 fgb8387 fgb8387
humm..huumm..huuumm..huuuumm..huuuuuumm.. why!???
July 19, 2010 5:40 pm
 catchmyshadow catchmyshadow
it is the pen** principle. Audi and BMW are comin with a 10-speed soon and on and on it goes.
July 19, 2010 6:43 pm
 2010S5 2010S5
Normal cars had 4/5/6 speed transmissions, but MB, wanting to be special, makes the world's first 7-Speed automatic. Lexus follows suit with 8, so MB responds with 9. Seriously they should just switch over to CVTs the way they're headed.
July 19, 2010 7:28 pm
 carbonblack carbonblack
Have you ever driven a CVT trannied car? It's the most disgusting experience ever...I drove a loaner A6-CVT for a few days last year and it was a piece of crappola. Who cares if they have 8 or 9 speed when you are not shifting yourself?
July 19, 2010 9:17 pm
 benz_man benz_man
Besides the decrease in the "enthusiastic" driving experience, CVTs seemed like a "jack-of-all-trades" answer, being extremely efficient in theory. However, in practice, the high pressure pumps required for the chains eat as much (or often more) efficiency as an auto-box with a comparable ratio spread. In the end, it is more cost effective to continue using hydraulically coupled auto-box's, which still use legacy R&D methods and coding. And, the more gears, the greater efficiency(power & economy). However, the more gears, the more intelligent the trans programming must be to maintain a comfortable driving experience.
July 20, 2010 11:03 am
 A A
How Ridiculous!!!, 9 speed Auto,,,WTFF!!??.. MB have too much time on their hands, just adds more cost on the price of the car.. STUPID!
July 19, 2010 9:38 pm
 m3 m3
i think the shift will be faster more we know so the nine speed will finish in 160 or more
July 19, 2010 10:59 pm
 Mikeado Mikeado
8 gears is too many, what's the point of 9? It's just German engineers willy waving. At least 7 make some sense - 6 for speed plus a long 7th gear for cruising. I bet the "large displacement engines" can spread the power across 6/7 gears just fine.
July 20, 2010 1:49 am
 MTC MTC
What's wrong with CVT?
July 20, 2010 1:58 am
 ttinjust96 ttinjust96
ull be going pretty fast while the engine idles in 9th gear lol
July 20, 2010 2:20 am
 alessandro alessandro
What a pleasure it will be to use paddles or lever especially to change down before slow turn from 9 to 2. gear. Thanks a lot.
July 20, 2010 4:23 am
 dbehmoaras dbehmoaras
The problem is that Benz realizes this may be a problem, so they would have the car change down automatically, which is even worse especially because it doesn't let you know. This is my biggest problem with the C300 that I have. I'm on a back-country road in Connecticut, when I go hard on the brakes as a enter a sharp corner. I need to shift from 5th to 2nd, so naturally I slide the gear lever to the left 3 times. Of course, the computer has already done downshifts, and all of a sudden I'm revving past 7000rpm in 1st. If Benz does not allow for more driver involvement, this will be one of the worst transmissions for fun driving. And, knowing Benz, they will do this anyway, which means I will have to go for the other Germans with a proper manual because it is nearly impossible to find a manual Benz in the States without ordering one. I guess a new A5 or 328 is in the cards for me in the near future...
July 22, 2010 5:25 am
 p2c p2c
This gearbox will waste most of its life cycle in switching gears rather than helping wheels to turn.
July 20, 2010 6:23 am
 Sacto8780 Sacto8780
My guess is that the 7th through 9th gears are going to be VERY tall ratio overdrive gears, which will allow for very high fuel efficiency at freeway speeds. Can you say 30-32 mpg on the EPA 2008 highway fuel economy test with the 5.5-liter V-8 engine?
July 20, 2010 6:42 am
 Douglas6250 Douglas6250
CVT is such a good invention as you achieve different gear ratios, different speed without having the need to rev the engine up. Yes we do agree that dual clutch gear boxes offer lighting fast, smooth gear change, but CVT went further than that, as it doesn't need to change gears !! The only downside is that it could be a bit boring as the rev of the engine hardly changes at all !!
July 20, 2010 7:15 am
 DUCATI46 DUCATI46
Like you say douglas6250 CVT is great but leaves you very remote from the driving experience ideal for a S Class type car but not a two seat sports car.
July 20, 2010 8:52 am
 Piotre_k Piotre_k
Pointless. I can see absolutely no reason for doing this other than showing off. It won't significantly improve either performance or economy. Some AMG cars (I think S65 and CL65) still doing great with a 5 speed auto.
July 20, 2010 9:32 am
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