2012 Nissan GT-R facelift spied at the Nurburgring

What are you talking about?I'm a GT-R hater but i can't agree with you , The current model is still faster in Nurburgring than Porsches!

@turbo91 WTH are you taking about? for the same money of a GT-R, which porsche can run the ring quicker?

your comment just shows how biased you are towards porsche, or how much you hate gt-r, but i would go with - you are just an idiot.

hmmm interesting, Bruno Senna would also like to disagree with you.

It's better looking than squashed beetle that some people call porsche...

I think you put it quite well. You say GT-R lacks soul, but at the same time someone else can say that it has soul. Soul of modern Japan, computerized and crazy about new technology, soul of Playstation3, soul of japan teenagers crazy about tuning their GTR's with new turbos etc. GT-R is a computer, but at the same time a very special computer. Maybe GTR's soul perception depends on how you look at this car, I don't know :)

ohhh kimboooo BRAVO man. well put.

You're right. I agree that when people always say that Italian cars like Ferrari, Alfa and Lamborghini has got soul, but to me, the difference between these cars is what makes the GT-R so special. While the Italian cars got soul, they haven't got a brain. The brain is in the driver, so he could enjoy having total mastery of the vehicle. The GT-R, however, has no soul but a working brain. By having real technologies such as the Attesa ET-S PRO & the Super HICAS, these are not just simply done by tweaking the traction control and ESP. The driver can almost drive without a "brain" , because the car sorts out so many things for the driver.

While the GT-R does have a lot of "brains" (although I should mention that the R35 does without Super-HICAS, as it's too heavy and probably unnecessary given the advances elsewhere) and it's even designed to be driven hard by people of any amount of ability, it's immense potential means that, to a point, it's only as good as the driver. A top driver can do amazing things with this capable platform. Although less weight to deal with during fast driving would only be a good thing. Regarding the "soul", every car has a character. Some may be a little dry, and that argument is often levelled at cars like this that are all tech and engineering perfectionism. I think the Skyline GT-Rs may have been closer to having "soul" than the car-for-every-driver R35. On the limit they had a race-car edge that's been taken off for this car. Still, it's a hell of an achievement that they've made a car 155kg heavier than a 997 Turbo lap the 'ring faster, and that they actually filled all their criteria. Now it's just a honing process.

You're absolutely right. I think that we shouldn't really treat the GT-R as a supercar, where the GT-R would be let down in this territory since it really haven't got any soul like it's Italian rivals. Maybe we should accept the fact that finally there is a normal sports car that can beat supercars. Supercars are no longer the fastest. In my opinion, the GT-R is such a unique car. You see, the whole concept of the car, since the original GT-R in 1969, has always been the same : Being front engined, rear wheel drive based, having a proper 4-seat coupe cockpit, AND, a proper, decent boot, which a lot of sports car has switched to a more modern fastback/hatchback design. This is why the GT-R is so unique. It's fast. Very fast, but also easy to go fast. This is also a multi purpose sports car. It has four seats and a decent boot, which means it's practical. It also has all wheel drive, which boosts it's all-terrain capability. What's more, being such a fast car, it returns a pretty impressive 8.6km/L fuel consupmtion. I don't think there is any car in the world that is so multi-tasked and unique. The unique spirit of the GT-R would live on.

In this case the GT-R would be saying "Look everyone I'm a genius and I have a clever brain, unlike those (corvette) big fat arm wrestlers from America that never have grip on the road !!!

Just because it isn't available with a manual?