Infiniti M Coupe Rumours Surface

You have it wrong... WCF has it right. If you hadn't noticed, only BMW still makes a coupe/cabriolet model of an entry level sedan. Thus the E Class coupe/cabrio is direct competition to the BMW 6 Series and Audi A5. The 3 Series offerings are in a different category

Actually, the entry level Audi A4 is based on the A5's B8 Chassis. @sub39h: The E-Class coupe does not compete with the 3 Series or A5 directly. It is positioned higher in terms of prestige and price. The base E 350 starts at nearly $50 K but the 3 Coupe and the A5 start in the high 30s. While not coming quite as close to the 6 Series in terms of price, is based on a mid-level premium luxury sedan (aka. E Class) as the 6 is based on the 5 Series. Yes I am aware the E Coupe is built on the C Class chassis but it's named 'E' and shares the majority of its parts with its sedan counterpart, so that's fair game. You should be aware that the M competes with the E Class and the 5 Series, thus making its hypothetical coupe counterpart compete with the coupe offerings from the rest of its sedan-based competitors, hence the E Coupe and the 6 Series. Infiniti already has the G 37 Coupe to compete with the A5 and the 3 Coupe.

I agree with sub39h. @droid_dtm: YOU have it wrong. The A5 is a direct competitor to the 3 series. Look at its specs: similar engines, similar performance, similar size and weight, similar price, and even competing high end models. How could you possibly say that the 6er is on the same level as the A5, when it is a direct competitor to the Merc CL (and SL, if you could argue for it well enough). That said, it is clear that Benz is the only carmaker that makes a midrange coupe/cabriolet. The E-Class coupe/cabrio has no direct competitor, and considering that it shares its chassis with the C class, it seems to be rather overpriced to me.

@2010S5 it doesn't share the majority of it's parts with the saloon. stop buying everything Mercedes tells you as truth. in the UK the car is priced to compete with the 3-Series. For example, BMW 330i auto SE - ?35 780, A5 3.2q tiptronic SE - ?34 705, E350 SE (auto as standard) - ?37 375 granted the Merc is *slighty* more expensive but it's definitely in the same league. it's also slightly more powerful than the other 2, justifying it's extra cost. calling it the E-Class was just a cynical marketing ploy. also it's the smallest of the 3 (i've driven all 3 of them) and is nowhere near the size of a 6-Series (which I have also driven).

It shares 60% of its mechanical components with the sedan, that's a fact. It also looks like, it drives like one and its interior is nearly identical to one. You can't put up whatever you want to think against facts. I will admit it's certainly not up there with the 6, but the fact that both are based on midsize, mid-range premium sedans are irrefutable, hence the reasoning behind WCF's statement.

have you sat in one? the E-Coupe's interior is "similar" to the E-Class in looks alone. none of the components are similar. it even has the same centre console as the C-Class. and fine, it may share 60% of it's components with the E-Class, but that doesn't mean it doesn't share 60% or more of it's components with the C-Class. the C- and E- probably share parts too. case in point: engines and transmissions which are 100s of parts. the point is that the E-Coupe is based on the C-Class platform. it is, for all intents and purposes, a 2 door C-Class. think of it this way, i'd be interested to know what percentage of parts the A3 shares with the Mk5 Golf. it's probably less than 60% having driven them both, but that doesn't stop people criticising does it? directed at pisemov below considering the wheelbase of the E-Coupe is identical to the millimetre according to MB's own spec sheets, the similarity of the controls etc i would have clocked on pretty quickly. i agree with your closing statement regarding platform sharing, but as i've stated above it doesn't stop people criticising VW *all the time*. why shouldn't Merc get the same stick when it does it and then has the nerve to brand the car as a class above just so it can charge more for cheaper parts?

@ 2010S5 ok your comments regarding the interior have irked me off so much that i'm taking time out of studying for my upcoming exams to post these photos from the interweb. 1. C-Class W204 prefacelift http://misfotos.homestead.com/files/c280mb06.jpg 2. E-Coupe interior http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2009/klm/2009-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-Coupe-Interior-3-1920x1440.jpg 3. E-Class interior http://media2.paultan.org/images/w212-amg-sports-package-4.jpg Compar first the armrest, gearlever area of the centre console between the C-Class and the E-Coupe. they're identical. then compare the E-Class's. it doesn't even have floor mounted gearshift. the selector is mounted behind the steering wheel. next look at the instrument cluster. the C-Class has 3 dials, not hooded. the E-Coupe has 3 dials, but they're hooded. the difference is likely due to the specs of the 2 cars rather than any real difference. the E-Class has 5 dials. totally different. next we'll compare the climate control switches. the E-Coupe and E-Class are similar in terms of looks, but they're different in terms of the number of buttons etc. all 3 radios are similar, with the E-Coupe and E-Class being most similar. However, when the C-Class is facelifted i reckon it'll fall in line with the other 2. and i'd put a lot of money on it sharing part codes with the radio unit from the E-Coupe. the window controls on the door cards on the E-Coupe and E-Class are similar in looks only. the seat controls on the E-Coupe and C-Class are identical. in addition it looks like the trim on the door card is the same. the E-Class doesn't have wood trim on the same place on the doors. the vents differ between all 3, with the E-Coupe and E-Class merely looking similar. looks like both the E-Coupe and the E-Class are the sport models, yet they have different steering wheels. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Okay the E coupe has 5 dials FYI but that's besides the point. And could you care to explain how the climate control in the coupe differs from the one in the sedan? The dashes in either car are nearly identical. You mention that the armrests, door-panel layout and the shifter are shared with the C class. But there is NOTHING in functionality that the coupe's interior loses to the sedan, save the natural amenities that come along with having four doors. Even the seats, which I personally think are unmatched in class, are unique to the coupe. And here in the US, we get a panoramic sunroof standard. I certainly feel the E Coupe deserves its name. You said you've been in one. Don't tell me it doesn't feel much nicer than the C Class. And from a design standpoint, it more than matches the prestige of the sedan IMO. And understand that I feel in NO WAY that the E Coupe is a direct competitor to the 6 Series.

I stand corrected re: the dials. Apologies. I understand you don't think the E-Coupe and 6 Series compete. We've moved on from that. This is more regarding the interiors, with which the E-Coupe seems to share more with the C-Class than the E-Class. Yeah they've made it look similar to the E-Class but the bits are all from the C-Class. And look closely at the climate control units. They're completely different. They only look the similar to one another but they're clearly different units. granted that it's different to the C-Class's as well, but i'm wondering if that'll change once the facelifted C- has been released. the dashboards are not identical. they're completely different. the E-Coupe has just been given those trapezoidal vents to make it look like the E-Class. at the end of the day you can't refute that the E-Coupe is a 2 door version of the W204 platform. ok so they've tarted up the interior a bit, but that's also the difference between an A4 and an A5. but Audi didn't call the A5 an A6 Coupe at the end of it all.

spelling's just about all correct there. have more confidence in yourself ;-)

It's completely idiotic to name it the E-Coupe when it is based on the C-Class platform. It's possible that the E-Coupe may have a different steering wheel, shifter, seats...but if it has the same chassis, and in the case of the 350, the same engine, it's still just a C-Class with a different shell and a big price tag. The fact is that it should be called the C-Coupe and not the E-Coupe. And as for your reference to the G37/370Z, the G37 is not a level up from the 370Z in the same way the the E is over the C. The G37 is a better looking, more luxurious 370Z, and let's not forget that the price difference is about 5grand, not 20. As for the M, Infiniti heavily modified the FM platform to adapt it to the M. They did not take the same chassis and slap on different body-panels, which is what Benz essentially did. That isn't always a bad thing, but the problem is that the E chassis is way better than the C's, hence the complaints.

Read all of it looks like Sub39h is the only one who got it all right. All the rest is fooled by the successful name-plays/marketting campaigns. New e-coupe, A5 and 3 series are in the same class. 6 series, CLS and upcoming A7 are one class above. Now: 1- Yes we do know what constitutes a platform, and yes one would know the e-class coupe is actually c based just by comparing the wheelbase of the car. E-class coupe is considerably narrower than the regular e-class. The coupe version of a platform would NEVER be narrower than the sedan version, if anything it would be wider for better handling; can be shorter but don't forget never narrower.. 2- There is a generation gap between e-class coupe and current c-class that's why it looks like it has more in common with e-class. When the new c-class comes in it will probably much similar to e-class coupe. This is an all Merc. play: They smartly introuduced the coupe version of their 3-series competitor ahaed of the sedan version, they introduced it at the same time with the new e-class, named it e-class coupe and confused everybody to suck up some extra profit margin until things get settled and people see what's going on. 3-When people figured it out Merc was FORCED to reveal that e-class is built in a smaller platform. Then, to make things worse they came up with the 60% commonality explanation, which was like a joke for anybody who is familiar with auto manufacturing. So BMW could say 740i shares a significant portion of it's parts with 135i, both of which have almost the same engine and probably many other common parts. Someone should ask them what % of C-class is the same with e-class coupe; and I would not be surprised if it's over 70%

to avantgarde: 1. ok, what's constitutes a platform then? and upon knowing this, how is sharing the platform to make another car a bad thing? we're not talking about rebadging here, obviously 2. i never said that the e-coupe competed with the 6-series. mercedes' closest answer to the 6 is the cls--as evident by their pricing 3. so the car is narrower and shorter. attributed to the platform, now, how does this make the car inferior for its intended role? how does this suddenly make the e-coupe unworthy of the e-name? 4. you are assuming that when the new c-class comes out that it will look like the e-coupe yet you are disregarding the obvious fact that the e-coupe was styled to look a lot like the sedan version. and finally the biggest insult: ". This is an all Merc. play: They smartly introuduced the coupe version of their 3-series competitor ahaed of the sedan version, they introduced it at the same time with the new e-class, named it e-class coupe and confused everybody to suck up some extra profit margin until things get settled and people see what's going on. 3-When people figured it out Merc was FORCED to reveal that e-class is built in a smaller platform. Then, to make things worse they came up with the 60% commonality explanation, which was like a joke for anybody who is familiar with auto manufacturing. So BMW could say 740i shares a significant portion of it's parts with 135i, both of which have almost the same engine and probably many other common parts. Someone should ask them what % of C-class is the same with e-class coupe; and I would not be surprised if it's over 70%" how do you know this? what facts do you have that backs it up? do you work for mercedes? without any evidence that supports all these assumptions, this portion of your argument is useless as it is baseless. thus, it's not even worth responding to. back in the days of the clk, no one complained the obviousness of its c-class leanings. maybe because it didn't have the e-name? well, that doesn't explain why people then paid JUST AS MUCH for the clk as they would now for an e-coupe and did so with no complaints. if anything, the e-coupe became a better deal than the clk ever was. but suddenly, throw in the e-name, and the car becomes an overpriced c-class? what?

have to disagree with you. the A5 Sportback doesn't compete with anything currently. the A7 will be tasked with competing with the CLS. the W124 was based on an E-Class chassis unlike the current E-Coupe, so the two cars are not comparable. i was recently in the market for something along the lines of the E-Coupe, A5 or the 3-Series, so to say that ppl aren't grouping those cars together is silly. that applies doubly when you look above at my price comparison. the E350 is one down from the top of the range, and is significantly (~?15000) cheaper than the 630i is in the UK. therefore nobody would be in the market for either an E-Coupe OR a 6-Series. they're in different leagues entirely. and as i've alluded to before, they're not even the same size with the 6-Series being substantially larger. they're not even close to being competitor models by any measure except a bogus name. Merc is trying to sell it's car for as much money as it can. whilst there is nothing wrong with that, there IS something wrong with taking a C-Class and calling it an E-Class. and that's exactly what they've done. there are other reasons why i wouldn't own the E-Coupe (mainly being that i'm about 6' 3" and don't fit comfortably in the front seat of one), but to say it's not a nice car would be silly. however they lost a lot of respect from me for trying to con the market which is what i feel they're doing. feel free to agree or disgree, but i've demonstrated with price and equipment that i'm not wrong.

dude, where are u getting your info from? I guess I have to reiterate that comparing on price alone is stupid... why do I say this, becuz a 630i and A5 3.2 are almost identically priced in my market. The 3 Series tops out at a little over half the price of the aforementioned cars (barring the M models). Pricing is never a good indicator of what a car competes with in the real world because it varies dramatically from one market to another. Like I said before, I go by what the manufacturers say, and the A5 Sportback is competition to the CLS. The upcoming A7 is a 'coupe' version of the A8, which is clearly in S Class and 7 Series territory, NOT the E Class derived CLS

WCF and Audi seem to agree with me re: A7 vs. CLS. http://www.worldcarfans.com/109011116066/audi-a7-sportback-concept-images-leaked my pricing information comes from UK manufacturer websites, as well as personal experience. as i mentioned before, i nearly bought one of the 3. ok if you disagree, please explain to me how the E-Coupe and the 6 Series compete? or even the A5 and the 6-Series. the 6-Series is bigger than both, based on a platform larger than both, is a proper 4 seater GT rather than a 2+2, it's smallest engine is a 3.0 litre inline 6 rather than a 1.8 turbo in the cases of both the A5 and E-Coupe. and if you do use price you'll be able to buy an RS5 for the price of a 630i in the UK... i'm really struggling to see how they compete.

again you're holding on to pricing... and UK pricing at that... as if UK pricing is the only one that matters. There are hundreds of other markets in the world, and like I've told you, in mine the 3 Series is below the 6 Series AND A5. As for the size of the cars, I'm confused about what you consider a bigger car. The wheelbases of the 6 Series, E Class Coupe and A5 Coupe are (in mm) 2780, 2760, and 2751 respectively, yet you claim the 6 Series to be a bigger car. It may appear that way because it has very long front and rear overhangs, making it appear long, but we all know wheelbase is the true measure of a car, and how they are compared, size-wise. Regarding the CLS and A5 Sportback, their wheelbases are 2855 and 2810 respectively. Seeing a trend here yet???? AND might I add that you criticise the E Class coupe for being a C Class dressed up as E, because of its dimensions. How then will you explain the 6 Series which you claim to be built on the 5 Series platform. The wheelbase of the 5 is 2888mm, yet the 6 is 2780. Its obvious that manufacturers shorten platforms for sportier models to improve nimbleness and handling. So there, I've disproved ALL your opinions... and thats all they ever were, because I've been quoting facts while you've been positing your own personal views.

@droid_dtm: You're the noob. Clearly I'm not comparing only price. Look at all of the engines available for both the 3er and the A5. Compare the dimensions. Compare the high-end models (M and RS). Compare the options available on both. My numbers are in inches, as I live in the US (2.54 cm to 1 inch). Bumper to bumper lengths: A5 = 182.1, 3er = 181.1, 6er = 190.2, E-Coupe: 185.0. Since you bring up length, it is clear that in size the A5 and 3er are at the same level. I could do the same with engines, performance figures, price, weight... Regarding the CLS and the A5 sportback: the CLS is a direct competitor of the Panamera on engines, size, luxury, and so on. Ask anyone who knows about cars (not someone who claims to know about cars). In fact, if you go to the press releases of those companies, you will see that they built those cars accordingly. Now Audi: they have announced the A7 in contrast with its most direct competitor, the CLS (which Audi themselves have clearly stated). But according to you, the A5 Sportback is the competitor, and not the A7. I'm sure you know better than Audi, considering they just happen to make the car. On pricing: if I'm holding to price, I'm holding to the American numbers, not the numbers in the UK. By stating that the UK numbers are also comparable, you just help to prove my point that you dismissed earlier. And if you don't believe me, look at the pricing in other currencies (Euro etc...). On the 6 Series: First of all I didn't claim that the 6er was built on the 5er platform. BMW did in fact build the 6er on the 5er platform. Look it up. And I criticize the E-Coupe for not being an E-Coupe. Honestly I wouldn't care that the E-Coupe was built on the C if the C chassis was good. Which it isn't. But in my opinion the E coupe should either be built on the E platform, or should be renamed the C coupe. And may I remind you that the 6er does not claim to be a 7er coupe. You didn't disprove anything because for the same reason that you claim to have disproved me. Yours are also based on opinions. Oh and another thing, because you think I'm focusing on only one mode of comparison (which I'm not, as I just proved), all I see in your post is wheelbase. To quote you: "again you're holding on to" wheelbase. And overall length says a lot more than wheelbase, but only someone who knows a lot about cars would know that I guess. Insight: carmakers, depending on the type of car, adjust the wheelbase of a car depending on what it's supposed to be, whether a saloon or a supercar, to change the handling. "Seeing a trend here yet?" Yes I am. It's the trend of you have no idea what you're talking about.

@debehmoaras... I'm confused, are you also sub39h? Because in my latest posts I was NOT responding to you, because I dont have time for idiots! Why are you are an idiot? Well for starters, since you say you're American (I wouldnt hold that against you btw), your own American car classification body, the EPA, assesses car size using interior volume... a measurement much more closely related to WHEELBASE than overall length. Isn't that how they derive what cars are subcompact, compact, medium, large etc. Who the heck uses overall length? No one. In the rest of the world (yes there is such a thing), cars are put into alpha segments, ie A, B, C etc etc. This rating scale also has to do with interior space, and thus wheelbase, NOT length. To use length is asinine, otherwise you'd say the oh-so-long Maserati MC12 is a competitor to an S Class becuz they're similar lengths. And if you want to talk about engines, then why does the 3 Series top out with the 335i, Audi with the A4 3.0 supercharged, and Mercedes with the C 350... all 3.* litre engines with 6 cylinders. Why then does the A5 have a V8 option, as does the E Class coupe? Its because these cars are a category above, in DIRECT COMPETITION with the 6 Series, which also has a V8 option. Finally, about your rant on the Panamera... dude, Porsche is not in this class. Ask any German and they'll tell you Porsche is above Mercedes, BMW and Audi. To compare the Panamera to the CLS is like comparing the CLS to a Passat CC... learn to compare apples with apples. The Panamera is cross shopped with the Maserati Quattroporte, Bentley Flying Spur etc. I suggest you keep future commments to yourself because the more you post, the more stupid you prove yourself to be. NOOB!

@droid_dtm: This will be my last response because on a car forum I don't bother with people that don't know anything about cars. You did respond to me (and you can't even spell my tag right its called ctrl-c): "debehmoaras and sub39h, yall are such noobs." I will end it by saying that you know nothing about cars, you are clearly the idiot because the professionals and all of the evidence clearly does not match what you're saying, but that is to be expected of someone who is an idiot, so quite frankly I'm not surprised. Also, you're just like every single dumb person in the world who thinks that just because I'm an American that I'm ignorant. That's the same kind of prejudice from people who go nowhere in life, and with that attitude you fit the bill. On your thing about Porsche, because that's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard: So the Cayenne is miles above the X5 and ML, the Boxster/Cayman is miles ahead of the Z4 and SLK (even though every single critic and car expert begs to differ). You know absolutely nothing about cars, but it is even more pathetic that you pretend to know, and then when you try to sound all pedantic about it you just come off as

the CLS? Thanks for coming out. We are talking about cars that have 2 doors and come in both coupe and convertible body styles. While I love marketing, calling the cls a coupe is simply untrue. Fishes, Narco.

I guess the "know it alls" in here will say the C Coupe will compete with the A3 and 1 Series 3 doors. But I guess ignorance is bliss to some people

well considering the original C-Coupe was released to compete with the 3-Series compact, which in turn was replaced with the 1-Series I'd have to say that it does in fact compete with the A3 and 1-. otherwise what did the CLK compete with? a Porche 911? Civil Service exam? try med school finals. and i post a lot because i take time out and take an interest. also bear in mind that i don't have exams all year around... i agree you regarding people opting to choose between different cars of different classes, and whilst that means they may compete in a sense, ultimately each car is marketed for a certain purpose and it should be benchmarked against other cars in its class as the manufacturers intended. that's perhaps the most objective measure, although i admit that car buying isn't always totally objective otherwise everyone would buy Toyotas :

Well put sir.

case closed

On your comments about the Infiniti: the price difference is only 5grand, not 15 as is the case with the Benz. Furthermore, the G37 and the 370Z aren't to be compared in the same way that the C and the E are. I shouldn't have to explain that to you, so I won't bother. On the Audi A8: It most certainly does not share a platform with the Phaeton and Continental, look it up. The A8 has the D3 (and the D4 for the new one), and the Conti/Phaeton have the D1. The Phaeton and the Continental do, you're absolutely right. And I'm not defending that, but let's just say that the comparison between the brands is not the same as the comparison between models across the same brand. Bentley clearly has a lot more to offer than the Phaeton, although I don't see why it should cost that much more than a 760 or a S63. That goes for a lot of your other comparisons as well. On the Aston Martin: the DB9 does not use the Vantage's platform: it is the other way around. There's a difference. Ford with Lincoln: same as for Nissan, but there is no point to Lincoln anyway, so I would just go with a Ford. Cayenne with Touareg: I agree, there's no point to the Cayenne unless you're getting the Turbo, but again, different brands. There's badging there. The difference between comparing brand to brand and models within the same brand is the build quality, performance, options, engines... When you compare models within the same brand, the differences are not nearly as present. And because you seem to be missing the biggest point that I am trying to make, I am going to reiterate it for you. My biggest problem is not necessarily that the platforms are shared. That's fine. My problem is that the C platform just isn't good. My family has a C-Class, which I drive quite often, so let me explain: In the corners it's planted, but it manages to be both jerky and a bit heavy. At high speeds, it is way too jerky. The handling is way too abrupt to the point where it is uncomfortable, and yet somehow it doesn't have much feel to it. I test drove an E350 Sedan several months ago, and it had none of these problems. The E-Class chassis is simply miles better. In the corners it was smooth, predictable, and comfortable, but at the same time it was very responsive and felt brilliant in the curvy hillside roads at high speed. On the highway it was also brilliant. Benz should have modified the E Sedan chassis and put it into the coupe. The C-Class chassis just isn't as good. Personally I'd rather pay the extra however much it would be if the E Coupe used a modified E chassis.

On your comments about the Infiniti: the price difference is only 5grand, not 15 as is the case with the Benz. Furthermore, the G37 and the 370Z aren't to be compared in the same way that the C and the E are. I shouldn't have to explain that to you, so I won't bother. But an explanation is required as to why you think it's ok for the 370z platform to be reused in an upmarket category where the g37 sits and be given an Infiniti badge but it's not ok to take a c class platform and move it in an upmarket category and give it an e badge. On the Audi A8: It most certainly does not share a platform with the Phaeton and Continental, look it up. The A8 has the D3 (and the D4 for the new one), and the Conti/Phaeton have the D1. The Phaeton and the Continental do, you're absolutely right. And I'm not defending that, but let's just say that the comparison between the brands is not the same as the comparison between models across the same brand.? But the similarities are there: namely, taking one platform, and reuse it in a different pricing league which bentley, rolls and Lexus are guilty of. Bentley clearly has a lot more to offer than the Phaeton, although I don't see why it should cost that much more than a 760 or a S63. That goes for a lot of your other comparisons as well. On the Aston Martin: the DB9 does not use the Vantage's platform: it is the other way around. There's a difference. but there's a commonality in that just as the people that think the e-coupe to be a ripoff due to it's chassis, there will be people who will wonder why their platform can be adapted to a cheaper car. They might feel ripped off themselves. In a perfect world, no platform should be shared.... But unreality, it goes both upstream and downstream. Ford with Lincoln: same as for Nissan, but there is no point to Lincoln anyway, so I would just go with a Ford. Cayenne with Touareg: I agree, there's no point to the Cayenne unless you're getting the Turbo, but again, different brands. There's badging there. The difference between comparing brand to brand and models within the same brand is the build quality, performance, options, engines... When you compare models within the same brand, the differences are not nearly as present. but infinitis have the same build quality as Nissan and even some of their interiors look the same. and their engines are shared ad well. In fact, one of them is a straight rebadge.? And because you seem to be missing the biggest point that I am trying to make, I am going to reiterate it for you. My biggest problem is not necessarily that the platforms are shared. That's fine. My problem is that the C platform just isn't good. My family has a C-Class, which I drive quite often, so let me explain: In the corners it's planted, but it manages to be both jerky and a bit heavy. At high speeds, it is way too jerky. The handling is way too abrupt to the point where it is uncomfortable, and yet somehow it doesn't have much feel to it. I test drove an E350 Sedan several months ago, and it had none of these problems. The E-Class chassis is simply miles better. In the corners it was smooth, predictable, and comfortable, but at the same time it was very responsive and felt brilliant in the curvy hillside roads at high speed. On the highway it was also brilliant. Benz should have modified the E Sedan chassis and put it into the coupe. The C-Class chassis just isn't as good. Personally I'd rather pay the extra however much it would be if the E Coupe used a modified E chassis. Weird, my c-class based glk shares none of the high speed jerkiness that yours exhibits. And we were so imprssed with the e-coupe, we decided to order one to replace our w203 c-class. Also, consider that if the e-coupe were to be based off the e chassis, then not only will it be heavier and less sporting, it could also cost around 65k to start, just as the c124 (the last tradional e coupe) did. What this is is a failure to agree. So we can leave it at that. There will be people who will like the e-coupe for what it is and those that won't.?

Agree to disagree then. Respect.