Daimler, Renault Form Global Car Alliance
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and one question: wasn't Mr. Zetsche the one who almost sunk the Chrysler brand giving them old platforms and engines and so many other bad management strategies? and now we can see the results
April 8, 2010 1:17 am
I agree. This article should have never made it past an editor and is very badly written. 3 cylinder engines in Infinitis ???? since when ?
April 7, 2010 7:22 am
It should say "its existing 4 and 6-cylinder engines" instead of "3 and 4 cylinder engines."
April 7, 2010 8:48 am
the Problem is i've never seen a 4-cylinder infiniti , so what 4-cylinder model is gonna be 3-cylinder?
April 7, 2010 9:09 am
There was the Infinit G20 which was a re-badged Nissan Primera that sold in the US during the 90's.
April 7, 2010 11:18 pm
What quality ?
Last decent car M-B produced was teh 190 , from then on its been downhill with good marketing to fool people to buy thier rubbish.
April 7, 2010 5:31 pm
Ahh a German mistress, how interesting. So now you have sausages, ratatouille and sushi. I was hoping for Swedish meatballs. Alliance's are the way forward to reduce costs and preserve brand identity.
April 7, 2010 8:04 am
And I hope Infiniti/Nissan doesn't pick up Mercedes-Benz's poor reliability.
April 7, 2010 9:29 am
Funny, I was thinking more along the range of hoping that Benz wouldn't pick up Renault's poor Reliability. Considering its Infamous for it across Europe. Mb is rated 9th for quality on JD I believe...
April 7, 2010 9:39 am
They are pretty much equal in reliability, I'm more concerned that Merc will want to suppress Infiniti's expansion outside the USA and limit it's tech achievements and engine sizes.
April 7, 2010 10:13 am
Mercedes is doing very good in reliability now (a contrast from the late 90'2 and early 2000's). I also guess it depends on the vehicle. Every Mercedes in my family has been better than every Nissan in my family(except for the 1991 Pathfinder, which was simple and rugged, only issue was cracking exhaust manifold that plagued that version of the 3.0L V6). In fact, my stepdad's 2005 CLK has had 0 issues (minor or otherwise), while my mom's Quest had shoddy electrics and my dad's 350Z has had both window regulators go out and is in constant poor alignment. The Z is overall a troublefree car, however, and is fun to drive.
April 7, 2010 12:59 pm
Merc is going to top handle Nissan and Renault just like they did with Chrysler. This three way marriage will NOT be successful and will dilute the brands. I think it this is being done to a) meet new CAFE norms, b) give Merc a cheaper source for smaller cars to sell in India, China, Africa, and some European countries. I still do not understand how it will benefit Nissan and Renault from putting more expensive, complicated, less reliable engines in their cars.
April 7, 2010 1:02 pm
Mercedes is buying approximately 3% of each company, so it has absolutely no power over these companies. Both companies have exactly the same holding in Daimler itself.
Having a 3% holding in another company is not relevant to CAFE standards about total fleet average efficiency, beyond that sharing tech makes it more economical to support their existing smaller cars. There is no evidence Daimler is planning on expanding small cars to India, Africa, etc, ALL reports clearly state they are interested in sharing tech/platforms on their existing Smart/A/B sold mostly to Europe, NA, and Japan, though if they can establish a small luxury-minicar market in China, India, SAfrica, LatAmerica, why wouldn't they?
Plenty of companies cooperate in similar ways without the token 3% holding, which is exactly that, a token and justification to have one representative on each other's board.
April 8, 2010 12:43 pm
Wait...I've owned 2 cars with the Mercedes V6 engines and my sister had the Nissan Maxima with the VQ engine and my last long-term rental car back in the US for 5 days was an Infiniti FX-37.
The V6 engine in the Infiniti was much more fun to drive than the V6 in the Mercedes E350 Coupe...
Even MB is dropping its lower displacement V6 engines in favor of the 1.8L turbo charged in-line 4...which is a great engine.
As for quality...after living with the Infiniti for 5 days...there is no comparison...MB is still much better...bit more boring...but still much better.
I think it should be Nissan/Infiniti that should be sharing the technology for the V6 engines.
April 7, 2010 11:17 pm
Sounds like you're comparing old MB V6's. As you recognize, they're moving that tier of engine to turbo'd 4 cylinders. Logically, their future 6 cylinders will not be the ho-hum ones you remember, but will be the larger equivalent of the turbo'd 4 cylinders, replacing conventional 8 cylinders. Just like nearly every other manufacturer is doing.
April 8, 2010 12:46 pm
Nissan/Infinity are important brands in Americas however in continental Europe will that alliance visible on the line between Mercedes and Renault. What comes to reliability issues then MB was always better to the certain point. Renault has his own strength, the fun factor or something which makes people happy. MB 190 I had once was fantastically good car as well as my funny Laguna I. Both were reliable as hell, which is fantastic but incomparable as often RWD/FWD cars are. Now when "doubtfully fueled future" is almost now and hence development of new solutions needed is one of the most expensive things in that industry that alliance will be somewhat successful. Only hope is that they'll benefit from each-others best values not only in little cars sector but also beyond it.
For addition I would like to say that few years ago when Renault was trying to buy Volvo from Ford for $3,89 or smthn. billion then now it is sold out for half of it and with no possibility to have any advantage from that most advanced alliance in car industry which is sad thing even to think.
April 8, 2010 12:59 am
tell me when honeymoon's over , baby , then i shall give you a rundown on my ugly divorce from Chrysler...baby
April 12, 2010 9:59 am









