Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid to Debut in Geneva

 Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid to Debut in Geneva
Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid, German labels - 1600 - 11.02.1010

Porsche has developed a new hybrid version of their GT3 model, built with two electric motors.  The Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid will be introduced in Geneva next month with endurance testing set to begin just before summer.

However, this is not a full hybrid vehicle in the same vein as the Toyota Prius.  Porsche opted to use a flywheel generator in a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS).  The generator's rotor spins up to 40,000 rpm, and combines with regenerative brakes to send up to eight-second power bursts to the electric motors.

For the car, Porsche paired their rear-mounted 4.0-liter 480-horsepower flat-six engine with two electrical motors mounted at the front.  The two motors produce up to 120 kW, or roughly 161 hp.

The Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid will participate in the 24 Hours on the Nordschleife of Nürburgring in mid-May.

Check out the press release below for further details.

Source: motorauthority.com via insideline.com

Porsche Intelligent Performance makes Racing Cars even More Efficient

911 GT3 R Hybrid Celebrates World Debut in Geneva

Stuttgart. Exactly 110 years after Ferdinand Porsche developed the world's first car with hybrid drive, the Lohner Porsche Semper Vivus, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, is once again taking up this visionary drive concept in production-based GT racing: During the Geneva Motor Show, a Porsche 911 GT3 R with innovative hybrid drive is making its debut, opening up a new chapter in the history of Porsche with more than 20,000 wins in 45 years scored by the extremely successful Porsche 911 in racing trim.

The innovative hybrid technology featured in the car has been developed especially for racing, standing out significantly in its configuration and components from conventional hybrid systems. In this case, electrical front axle drive with two electric motors developing 60 kW each supplements the 480-bhp four-litre flat-six at the rear of the 911 GT3 R Hybrid. A further significant point is that instead of the usual batteries in a hybrid road car, an electrical flywheel power generator fitted in the interior next to the driver delivers energy to the electric motors.

The flywheel generator itself is an electric motor with its rotor spinning at speeds of up to 40,000 rpm, storing energy mechanically as rotation energy. The flywheel generator is charged whenever the driver applies the brakes, with the two electric motors reversing their function on the front axle and acting themselves as generators. Then, whenever necessary, that is when accelerating out of a bend or when overtaking, the driver is able to call up extra energy from the charged flywheel generator, the flywheel being slowed down electromagnetically in the generator mode and thus supplying up to 120 kW to the two electric motors at the front from its kinetic energy. This additional power is available to the driver after each charge process for approximately 6 - 8 seconds.

Energy formerly converted - and thus wasted - into heat upon every application of the brakes, is now highly efficiently converted into additional drive power.

Depending on racing conditions, hybrid drive is used in this case not only for extra power, but also to save fuel. This again increases the efficiency and, accordingly, the performance of the 911 GT3 R Hybrid, for example by reducing the weight of the tank or making pitstops less frequent.

After its debut in Geneva the 911 GT3 R Hybrid will be tested in long-distance races on the Nürburgring. The highlight of this test programme will be the 24 Hours on the Nordschleife of Nürburgring on May 15th and 16th. The focus is not on the 911 GT3 R Hybrid winning the race, but rather serving as a spearhead in technology and a "racing laboratory" providing know-how on the subsequent use of hybrid technology in road-going sports cars.

The 911 GT3 R Hybrid is a perfect example of the Porsche Intelligent Performance philosophy, a principle to be found in every Porsche: More power on less fuel, more efficiency and lower CO2 emissions - on the track and on the road.

 

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 Aleksi Aleksi
So it doesn't use batteries to run the electric motors at the front. That's kind of interesting. I'm not sure if I would call this a hybrid. Did someone consider the 2009 Ferrari F1 as a hybrid? I think a hybrid is a vehicle that can run on electricity alone, without the petrol/diesel engine. This Porsche design just uses electricity to give it a small boost in acceleration from time to time, exactly like a KERS system in an F1 car.
February 11, 2010 12:21 pm
 tootall tootall
A vehicle that runs on electric power alone is call an electric vehicle (EV). Since this Porsche has more than one source of gaining momentum, it's therefore considered to be a Hybrid. Hybrid: anything derived from heterogeneous sources, or composed of elements of different or incongruous kinds: a hybrid of the academic and business worlds.
February 11, 2010 2:21 pm
 Aleksi Aleksi
Well yeah, what I ment was that I think a hybrid car is a car that can run using only the electric engines in certain situations, without the help of the combustion engine. This Porsche only uses the electric engines for tiny bits of time to help with acceleration. This kind of system would be completely useless on a road-going car. How many times a day do you floor your gas pedal and think: "I still need a small boost to my acceleration right now." What I'm saying is that this kind of KERS system is only good for racing. And I admit, it helps. But I don't think the KERS makes this a hybrid. Yes, it is a hybrid in the meaning of the word hybrid, but it isn't a proper hybrid if you compare it to road-going hybrids and the philosophy of them.
February 12, 2010 10:08 am
 nickmini nickmini
It's based on last year's Williams F1 "flywheel" KERS system, which is known to be heavy and unreliable.
February 11, 2010 12:31 pm
 sideskraper sideskraper
Yeah the one that dragged them to the bottom of the tables with its massive weight and lack of reliability in each race after they introduced it. Oh wait....
February 11, 2010 4:46 pm
 nederina nederina
In short, it works like Formula One's regenerative KERS system?
February 11, 2010 12:37 pm
 dodelo dodelo
visit www.porsche.de to see the new Cayenne. on the first page you will se it behind the GT 3 Hybrid
February 11, 2010 12:48 pm
 CDspeed CDspeed
I think we have to wait until the performance specs are released to realize the benefits of this system. But it better be a huge gain, I'm getting sick of big hybrid promises only to be let down by the specs.
February 11, 2010 1:05 pm
 scratchy996 scratchy996
we will know after the 24h Ring race. if it works i hope they will put it in the 998 GT3 and GT2 in place of the rear seats.
February 11, 2010 1:25 pm
 porschecarreragtmay6 porschecarreragtmay6
Perfect for when that BMW gets a better corner exit off the straight. Push the "hybrid button" on the steering wheel, and boom, you're way ahead.
February 11, 2010 1:29 pm
 porschecarreragtmay6 porschecarreragtmay6
THE CAYENNE WILL BE UNVEILED ON TUESDAY! On the web special there is a picture with a Cayenne in the background, and it says 6 days until next exciting content!
February 11, 2010 1:50 pm
 scratchy996 scratchy996
this is the Williams F1 KERS system http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/81402
February 11, 2010 2:19 pm
 benzomatic benzomatic
I'm sure they have a reason but I really don't get why they use a flywheel instead of a battery. Wouldn't that be simpler and lighter? The system in the mercedes s class 400 hybrid works just fine and it only uses a battery the size of a normal car battery.
February 11, 2010 3:02 pm
 ithyandel ithyandel
i'd like to know the loss in power due to the flywheel, i feel like it should be in the ball park of a AC unit.
February 11, 2010 5:15 pm
 scratchy996 scratchy996
it's spinning at 40k PRM, that's the key. quicker recharge times. even NASA uses this technology, every gram counts on a rocket.
February 11, 2010 7:11 pm
 benzomatic benzomatic
Scratchy: If i understand it correctly they use a flywheel as an energy storage medium. They make it spin via an electric motor that uses the recuperated energy from braking and so on, and when power is needed the flywheel energy is used to run the electric motor again which gives the power boost to the car. If that is the case, i cant help to think that it is a bit primitive. I mean transfering kinetic energy into electric energy and back to kinetic and back to electric to create kinetic again seem terribly inefficient, because evrytime it is converted there will be a loss of ennergy. Not to mention that the flywheel will loose its momentum over time and the energy gets wasted completely. Now that i thought of it they probably only use it because they cant get the a battery to charge quick enough for race use and before it looses momentum they would have used the energy up in a race anywy but still... It definately looks very heavy but i gues it is worth it. I am pretty sure the 998 will feature a hybrid but luckily in the same form as the s400. Not this monstrosity
February 11, 2010 7:52 pm
 benzomatic benzomatic
I just looked at the diagrams and it does seem to have a battery too..i am confused now how this works
February 11, 2010 9:40 pm
 rublazar rublazar
Did you read the complete press release? "developed especially for racing, standing out significantly in its configuration and components from conventional hybrid systems" ... "The flywheel generator itself is an electric motor with its rotor spinning at speeds of up to 40,000 rpm, storing energy mechanically as rotation energy"
February 12, 2010 9:15 am
 benzomatic benzomatic
Rublazar: Well thats basicaly what i said, i was just wondering why they use this instead of a battery (probably chargin times issues) and then i was also confused by the fact that there seems to be a battery next to the generator on the diagram.
February 12, 2010 9:49 am
 Bremen_Koenigsegg Bremen_Koenigsegg
@Benzomatic: Looking at the diagram, I think you're spot on re: how it works. I share your concerns too; I'm not an electrical engineer or physicist or anything, but I know the second law of thermodynamics states very clearly the method they have set up to recover kinetic energy is horribly inefficient. While I don't doubt the extra weight can be offset by the performance enhancements of such a system, to reap the benefits would require an entirely new layer of strategy. That said, by not having a battery, they are saving quite a lot of weight versus other hybrid systems. Altogether, though, I don't really think any hybrid system is at all necessary in a Porsche. Ever. Also, watch this one crash... I put 3:1 odds the KERS will cause the driver to mess up.
February 14, 2010 12:46 am
 Dragos_DreS Dragos_DreS
Its going to be interesting to see a KERS system that isn't restricted to just 6sec per lap and only used in a 2 hour race.
February 11, 2010 3:40 pm
 BavarianMS BavarianMS
This sounds very interesting. Sort of like a more racing enhanced BMW vision dynamics.
February 11, 2010 6:16 pm
 Aleksi Aleksi
The BMW Vision Dynamics runs only on electric motors, and the diesel engine is only used to recharge the batteries. So I would say that these two aren't similar at all.
February 12, 2010 10:12 am