2011 VW Jetta R Sport Version Being Considered for U.S. - report

that sissy 2.0l engine can boost out 265 bhp......and about the FWD u should really drive a car with quatro my friend...and if u would botter to read about vw and audi u would see that all of their sport model have 4 wheel drive

Yea ?! I thought the Scirocco R would be FWD ;) Also that HaldexAWD isn't comparable to a TorSen-Diff AWD and 258 HP is also nothing new from a 2.0l. They're just copying the Subaru Impreza, but failing in using an adequate AWD solution

What is laughable is that your sole criteria for respectability is whether or not the car is rear wheel drive.

He must be retarded.

What are you talking about Tyler, Audi invented Quattro about 27years ago and its currently the best AWD system on the market, theres no way it can be front based, infact some new Audi models are now rear biased.. Its also okay if V-Dub uses FWD for the Jetta R sport because all its competition, namely the Civic Si, the Scion tC TRD and the Focus RS use the same drivetrain.

Yeah and some of their models are heavily RWD biased, namely the R8. Also, the competition isn't laughing about the R8, RS4, or RS6. Even though I'm not sold on the A4-lite rear, if VW build this, it will sell big I think.

@kumbze: The Nissan GT-Rs AWD system is the best on the market for street driving at the moment. Followed by the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and the Subaru Impreza WRX STi. Maybe some or more car manufacturers later comes Audi's quattro. It was a good AWD solution when it was released back then, but today it loses against it's competition.

saying the GTR has the best AWD is not saying anything. best in what? all the different AWD systems have their advantages and disadvantages. there are many criteria like reaction time, power delivery and power split and power transfer based on the slip angle. Quattro has been a leader in the AWD and in my opinion still is. Quattro uses both Torsen which is RWD biased and Haldex which is FWD biased except on the Bugatti Veyron due to its engine placement. so to say that quattro looses against its competition is an absolutely absurd statement when the Bugatti Veyron, one of the top performing cars in the world, is using Haldex. On a side note I have better times than many STi's and Evo's at the track with my FWD-biased Haldex equipped Audi. again not saying one is better than the other they are just different and work differently.

@justbored , where the heck did you get that info ? i bet a Lada Niva has a better AWD than the GTR for normal daily driving in Siberia. and what about every journalist calling the R8 the best supercar for everyday use ? do you think the quattro is still the same thing they used in the '70s ? or that the A3 and the R8 have the same AWD system ?

@MadMaTTer: Best on street driving in terms of high performance. The Audi R8 has several advantages over the GT-R, like lower point of gravity and mid-ship engine, but still gets beaten by the GT-R most times in the corners. How do you think this does happen ? By more power in corners ?! C'mon... it's their AWD (combined with AWS), just get it already. Also if you drive faster than an STi owner it doesn mean nothing. A buddy of mine even overtook a Kawasaki Ninja on the N?rburgring Nordschleife in a VW Golf Mk.4 with just 100hp. So this Golf Mk.4 is faster than a Ninja ? ;) And just because that system is used in the Veyron it doesn't mean that it's that great. It's not bad, i never mentioned that, but it's still inferior to the competition. Also i never saw an astonishing lap by a Veyron, it's laptimes are just what you would expect of a car using a weight/power ratio of 1001hp/1900kg. Ahh, you mentioned RWD-biased, when using TorSen, which is only on the brand new model line true. Everything before was 60% front, 40% back. But well, i'm ready to widen my horizon, just explain to me why Quattro GmbH should still be the leader ;)

@scratchy996: Well, we both have never driven the GT-R on snow, neither are any performance tests on snow available, so anything about snow performance is out of question. Also i meant street driving in terms of performance on asphalt roads. Those journalists were only praising the R8 over the GT-R in terms of interior build quality, which is imo subjective, and ride harshness. Whereas in most other test-sections the R8 got dominated by the GT-R. I never stated, that Audi would be using the good ol' system from the '70s, but they just didn't improved yet as their competitors. I respect the R8 in many terms, cause it's somewhat a Honda NSX successor in many terms. I even believe Audi used the NSX as a benchmark in many terms. But i still don't think it's worth all it's praises. Especially the ones about the design, cause design ist just subjective and i dislike new Audis cause of their whale front end. I hope you don't refer to the german press, cause they're biased as hell with only little exceptions.

I know your justbored but yeah, let me see if i can make you a little more open minded and widen your horizon. The GTR does have both more HP and Torque which is what gets you out of a corner under throttle, and especially on AWD it is crucial as you can transfer the power down to the ground. and it is much faster in a straight line than the R8 so yeah i think having over 120 more ft lbs of torque helps makeit faster then the R8 i dont think its the AWD system. I say quattro is an industry leader because it has been proven on many races and even banned due to it being an unfair advantage to the competition. BTW Nissan changed their mechanical type AWD system used in earlier GTRs into a hydraulic multi-clutch design, umm like Haldex quattro. you mentioned that quattro is inferior, so then why would Nissan seek out an inferior design for their GTR? i never said one is better than the other, i am saying audi is still a leader at it and a very present competition. Iam not bashing the GTR i think its a great car, aside from its looks, it has incredible power coming from 2 turbos, great suspension and frame with polyphony electronics controlling all this, which is what in my view makes the GTR fast around a track. Now that thats been said must everyone turn every thread on WCF into a GTR thread. could you widen my horizon and tell me what Audi copied from Subaru?

Well, you got your points, but they're still not enough. The Audi R8 got the better weight distribution, the lower point of gravity and the lesser weight, all which matters more than just power(See muscle cars for reference). And still the GT-R is faster IN the corners. Which means, it's not only the power(well, they're also pretty similar if you compare weight/power ratio). I hope you now understand ;) Quattro in races is in no way comparable to their 'daily driver' counterparts. It's like comparing the GT500 ARTA NSX to an NSX Type-S. I never said Audi isn't able to create an awesome AWD, they just don't offer it. And about Haldex vs. Nissan GT-R: I don't remember Haldex using a yaw-rate sensor like Nissan (ATTESA-ETS GT-R version), Honda (SH-AWD), BMW (torque vectoring rear axle drive from ZF) and Mitsubishi (S-AWC). Cause accurately used yaw input improves AWD solutions pretty much. Unless they won't use a yaw sensor, Haldex-AWD is doomed to be inferior to those. Audi also seemed to understand this and cooperates with Magna Steyr on a new solution called Vectoring quattro system, which uses a similar rear axle drive like BMW for torque vectoring from ZF. In which points Audi copies Subaru ? Well: 2.0l turbo'd engine, AWD and a compact chassis. Which would be the SP3T class at VLN races, same as the one the JDM Impreza would be in. EUDM Impreza only got that turbo eating* 2.5l engine. *In racing experiences the 2.5l engine kills off it's turbos much earlier than the old 2.0l engine.

My bad, i never stated Audi would copy Subaru, but VW would. I got confused by your wrong targeted answer :)

where should i start, ok ill follow your lead. As for weight distribution the GTR actually offers a better split at 48-52 and 50-50 under full throttle(yes i googled this one) and the R8 has most of its weight in the rear at 44-56. fwiw the GTR is also mid engine, only it sits inback of the front axle instead of the front of the rear axle. The R8 does have a lower CG which does help, i agree, i also agree that power is not everything and lower weight is better but power to weight means more than lower weight, i prefer the colin chapman theory of power to weight where the weight is lowerd as opposed to rasing the HP but GTR does come with a better power to weight ratio. on the straight it the GTR is much faster that the r8 so any shortcomings on the turns are easily made up on the straights, not saying its slow in turns but i remember reading an article where they mentioned of the cars tested the R8 was the only car that avaraged a faster speed in the turns than the GTR of the cars tested. but the GTR still got the fastest times. Race cars are not comparable to street cars, i agree completely aswell. my point on that is that quattro is a proven system whether on street apllication or race cars. My haldex equipped car has 2 yaw sensors so Haldex does utilize this system. i really dont know much of the honda or BMW AWD but i can attest that the BMW AWD is absolutely horrible and felt incredibly sloppy and unresponsive, i felt this first hand at an autoX. Ive also driven STi and Evos AWD and they felt great, as does quattro, but they are very different in their nature. I havent tested a GTR yet but iam sure it is very capable system aswell. i wasnt aware that audi/quattro was working with Magna steyr but i will read up on this as you sparked my curiosity. not sure if thats a good things or not since you stated that its similar to the BMW system. Audi pretty much wrote the book on turboed small engines and .VW and audi shares most of the parts bin

Nice Post! I was just putting in my 2-cents in as a marketing stand point. All in all, I would buy this car too as a daily driver.

its all good, i would love to see a RWD VW but this wouldnt be the car to do it with, unfortunately its too far of a departure for the brand.

"the octane rating shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the rating shown elsewhere in the world for the same fuel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating all European cars seem to have lower hp in the US, but the KW of power are the same, that's because bhp and metric hp are calculated differently.

Not only calculated, but also measured. Bhp are measured without any power consuming devices like the alternator.

Actually, if you put the two side by side, the proportions are very different. But the A5 is a strikingly beautiful car and prone to imitation.