Lexus LFA Officially Unveiled in Tokyo [Video]

By Thami Masemola
October 21, 2009 12:30 PM
Filed Under: Japanese, Lexus, Supercars, Tokyo Motor Show

Following years of speculation, some extensive spy material and several leaks, Lexus has finally unveiled its very first supercar. A prototype of the two-seat LFA is now on display at the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show.

Official details reveal some stunning figures which give meat to recent videos. The sound heard on that video is partly because of equal-length exhaust manifolds mated to an equal-length dual exhaust system and routed through a multistage titanium main muffler. The LFA is indeed powered by a naturally aspirated V10 displacing 4.8 litre (4,805cc). Thanks to its aluminum alloy, magnesium alloy and titanium alloy construction it is actually lighter than a normal V8 engine.

Maximum power is an assuring 412kW (560hp) made at a screaming 8,700rpm while peak torque is 480Nm at 6,800rpm. Ninety percent of torque is available between 3,700rpm and 9,000rpm. It all goes to the rear wheels via a 6-speed ASG transmission featuring heavy-duty synchronizer rings and a newly developed gearshift actuator. A 0-100km/h time of 3.7 seconds is claimed while top speed is 325km/h (202mph).

The relatively low weight of 1480kg (3,263 lbs) was achieved through measures such as carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) cabin, said to be 100kg lighter than an equivalent aluminium one. Total vehicle length is 4.51m, width is 1.90m and height is a midget-sized 1.22m. It features a double wishbone front suspension and a multilink system at the rear. Brakes are carbon ceramic material to make stops as quickly as possible. The LFA gets 265/35ZR20 (95Y) front tyres and 305/30ZR20 (99Y) types at the back.

Aerodynamic elements include a flat underbody, a rear diffuser and a speed-controlled rear wing. The interior can be custom-tailored to suit buyers' needs while showing off a very high-tech instrumentation design.

Only 500 units will be sold worldwide between the start of production in December 2010 and when it ends in December 2012. A more race-focused model will be introduced in 2011. Suggested minimum prices are US$375,000 (€250,720). Prices in Japan will be ¥37.5 million a unit.

 

Source: Lexus

Press Release (Click to expand)

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  • Lexus’s 21st century supercar delivers extreme, race-bred performance, with advanced technologies and absolute exclusivity

  • Powered by mid-front mounted 4.8-litre V10 engine with 9,000rpm red line

  • Rear wheels driven through bespoke, rear-mounted six-speed Automated Sequential Gearbox (ASG)

  • Maximum power 552bhp, maximum torque 480Nm

  • Nought to 62mph acceleration in 3.7 seconds, top speed 202mph

  • Extensive use of advanced materials, including Carbon Fibre Reinforced Plastic (CFRP) construction and Carbon Ceramic Material (CCM) brakes

  • Production limited to 500 examples

  • UK launch price €368,000 (approximately £336,000)

INTRODUCTION

The new LFA marks an important moment in both the history of Lexus and the development of the supercar. A true “clean-sheet” design, the LFA was created by a small, passionate and dedicated team of engineers whose achievement has been to push the boundaries of technologies materials and engineering at every stage to produce a car like no other to have carried the Lexus badge.

Constructed using advanced carbon fibre technology, the rear-wheel drive LFA is powered by a bespoke, high-revving 552bhp 4.8-litre naturally aspirated V10 engine, matched to a rear-mounted six-speed sequential automatic transmission, giving 200mph-plus performance.

In the words of Chief Engineer Haruhiko Tanahashi: “The LFA is a thoroughbred supercar, a machine engineered to achieve a single goal – to deliver a supreme driving experience. Over the past decade we have pushed every boundary in pursuit of this goal and I believe we have created the most driver-orientated car we possibly could.”

CARBON FIBRE CONSTRUCTION

Keeping the car’s weight to an absolute minimum was one of the defining elements in the development of the LFA and this led to the decision to switch from using aluminium for the car’s construction to advanced Carbon Fibre Reinforced Plastic (CFRP) for the chassis and bodywork.

Moreover, Lexus decided the CFRP structure should be built in-house rather than by a third-party supplier. In doing so, it drew on Toyota Motor Corporation’s heritage in textile weaving technology to push the boundaries of its technical abilities, developing new carbon fibre looms and a laser system for monitoring the integrity of the material.

At four times the strength of aluminium, CFRP gives the LFA an exceptionally stiff and strong structure, and also delivers major weight advantages, saving around 100kg on an equivalent aluminium body. CFRP accounts for 65 per cent of the body-in-white, with aluminium alloy used for the remaining 35 per cent.

Unlike the few other vehicles on the market that use CFRP construction, the LFA uses the same advanced resin technology favoured by cutting-edge aerospace programmes for its unmatched weight and strength properties.

ENGINE

The heart of the LFA is a bespoke, naturally aspirated V10 engine that sets new standards for compact dimensions, lightweight architecture and scintillating performance. From the outset it was determined the engine should have a 4,805cc capacity, develop 552bhp and rev to a wailing 9,000rpm red line. A 72-degree angle between the cylinder heads is ideal for achieving balance in the engine for exceptionally smooth running, while providing individual, electronically controlled throttle bodies for each cylinder gives excellent throttle response.

Using a dry sump lubrication system allows the block to be positioned deep in the engine bay, lowering the car’s centre of gravity and moment of inertia, and enabling the engine to handle sustained, high-speed cornering.

The V10 produces 480Nm of torque at 6,800rpm, 90 per cent of which is available from 3,700rpm all the way to the 9,000rpm red line, thanks to Dual VVT-i technology, equal length exhaust manifolds and high-volume, 12-hole fuel injectors. This gives searing in-hear acceleration at all engine speeds and in any gear: nought to 62mph takes just 3.7 seconds and maximum speed is 202mph.

With a kerb weight of 1,480kg, the LFA has a power to weight ratio of 373bhp per tonne, while specific output of 115bhp per litre is among the highest of any current supercar, aided by a high, 12:1 compression ratio, low friction internals and optimised intake and exhaust flow.

In spite of its potency, the V10 is an object lesson in compact and lightweight packaging, being about the same size as a regular V8 engine and weighing about as much as conventional V6. It is also as reliable and refined as any other Lexus power plan and exceeds Euro 5 emissions standards.

The engine was developed in conoctction with Yamaha through the established collaborative partnership between Toyota Motor Corporation and the Japanese specialist engineering company.

TRANSMISSION

The formidable performance of the V10 is managed through an equally advanced transmission, a purpose-designed six-speed Automated Sequential Gearbox (ASG) that drives the rear wheels via a limited slip differential. To help achieve the optimum 48:52 front-to-rear weight distribution, it is contained in a transaxle mounted over the rear axle.

The ASG is operated by paddle shifts mounted on the steering column and is engineered for exceptionally fast shifts: an upshift can be effected in just 0.2 seconds.

The system has four driving modes: Auto, Sport, Normal and Wet, activated by a selector dial on the dashboard. Each mode has a specific gearshift programme, and engine and brake control logic systems to let the driver tailor the car’s performance to suit driving conditions.

SOUND

The LFA’s acoustics, induction system and exhaust notes have been specially tuned to deliver an awesome “soundtrack” that expresses the car’s extreme performance, both outside and inside the cabin. Referred to by the acoustic team as “Octave Harmony”, it is inspired by the sound of a Formula 1 engine at full revs and is unlike that of any other road car, with different harmonic qualities created as the engine moves up towards its maximum 9,000rpm.

BRAKING

The LFA has one of the most advanced and powerful braking systems fitted to any production car, appropriate to meet the demands of its 200mph-plus performance capabilities.

The brake discs are made of Carbon Ceramic Material (CCM), which as well as being lighter than steel, gives fade-free performance in all conditions. The front discs are 390mm in diameter and 34mm thick, gripped by six-piston aluminium callipers; the rear discs measure 306mm across, are 28mm thick and are fitted with four-pot callipers. All use high-friction micron pads, manufactured exclusively for use with CCM brakes.

SUSPENSION, WHEELS AND TYRES

The track-tuned suspension is the result of intensive development work carried out by Lexus at the Nürburgring’s Nordschleife circuit to give the best possible balance between control and comfort.

The bespoke wishbone front/multilink rear design makes extensive use of aluminium alloy for high strength and low weight, and the aluminium monotube dampers are the same as those Lexus used for its LFA race car in the Nurburgring 24-hour race.

The 20-inch forged aluminium BBS wheels are shod with asymmetric Bridgestone tyres: 265/35ZR20 at the front and 305/20ZR20 at the rear.

AERODYNAMICS

The LFA boasts class-leading aerodynamics to achieve drivetrain cooling and superb high-speed handling and stability. Extensive wind tunnel testing helped produce a wind-cheating profile with a drag coefficient of 0.31, a remarkable achievement given the degree of downforce the car creates at high speed.

Airflow is precisely controlled over, under and around the car. A carbon fibre rear diffuser and flat underbody generate significant downforce, with an active rear wing, complete with a gurney flap on the leading edge, boosting the level further still.

STEERING

The race-tuned steering gives outstanding response and feedback to create a perfect dynamic link between car and driver. The constant-rate rack and pinion system uses an innovative column-assist Electric Power Steering System that does not sap engine performance.

The large-diameter column shaft is mounted directly on the central chassis structure, giving the steering layout exceptional rigidity. The carbon fibre steering wheel has a flat bottom section and houses the engine starter button and instrument information selector switch. It can be adjusted for reach and rake.

EXTERIOR DESIGN

Dictated by its front-mid engine layout, long wheelbase and short overhangs, sophisticated aerodynamics and low-slung cabin, the LFA’s lines flow from roof to sill in a seamless convex to concave line. As well as its low weight and high strength, carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) also gave the designers more freedom to create shapes, curves and edges that would have been impossible with metal.

The styling remains true, however, to the principles of L-finesse, the design rationale behind all current Lexus models. Form follows function, as witnessed n the numerous air intakes and aerodynamic details, and even in the design of the door mirrors, shaped to channel air over the car’s shoulders into the rear intakes.

INTERIOR DESIGN

The low-slung cabin is divided into three zones: the mechanical zone, which includes the skeleton of the car’s construction; the human zone, with two seats placed right at the centre of the car; and the driving zone, with high-tech instrumentation that brings driver and machine together.

The cabin is hand-built, with driver-focused ergonomics. The seats, upholstered in fine leather and Alcantara, provide the high level of back and side support needed in a car capable of 200mph-plus performance. The trim echoes the advanced materials used in the LFA’s construction, with exposed areas of both matt and gloss carbon fibre. Trim details are finished in brushed metal and the floor-hinged brake and throttle pedals are made of forged aluminium. As with the exterior finish, owners can choose different interior colours and details to suit personal taste.

INSTRUMENTATION

The compact, hooded instrument panel combines an LCD display panel with a colour Thin Film Transistor (TFT) and a motor-drive movable ring. It features a single circular dial with a central tachometer with an LCD needle. When engine speed exceeds 9,000rpm, the display area turns red to prime the driver for an up-shift. It can also be programmed to turn yellow or green when the revs reach a user-selected range. The dial also houses a digital speedometer and gear indicator, transmission mode, vehicle control data and trip information displays.

An information selector switch on the left side of the steering wheel lets the driver toggle through a series of functions, including customising the data display, adjusting cabin illumination and operating a track-ready stopwatch system.

When the car is started, an instrument display sequence is triggered, creating a sense of occasion, culminating in the four digital dials showing oil and water temperatures, fuel level and oil pressure radiating out from the centre of the rev counter to take up their positions on either side of the central dial.

SAFETY

Passive and active safety provisions are in line with the LFA’s exceptional performance. The central carbon fibre reinforced plastic central structure is extremely strong and provides excellent impact protection. Crash boxes are fitted front and rear that are designed to deform in a controlled fashion in the event of an impact. That at the front is made of CFRP; that at the rear from extruded aluminium. Side impact protection includes strong and rigid carbon fibre side members and door structures comprising an aluminium inner panel and a Glass fibre reinforced Sheet Moulding Compound (G-SMC) outer skin.

The LFA is equipped with Lexus’s Vehicle Dynamic Integrated Management (VDIM) system, which co-ordinates the smooth operation of the ABS, vehicle stability and traction control systems as the vehicle approaches its performance limits, based on critical data on brake operation, yaw and roll rates, individual wheel speed and longitudinal, lateral and vertical acceleration

Passive safety features include two-stage adaptive front airbags and seatbelt airbags for driver and passenger and a driver’s knee airbag.

MANUFACTURING AND SALES

The LFA programme was launched in 2000 as a straightforward R&D project, but gained impetus with the appointment of Haruhiko Tanahashi to lead a dedicated team of engineers, committed to a bespoke Lexus development programme. The first LFA prototype was completed in 2003 and a design study made its public debut at the 2005 Detroit motor show. In 2008 and 2009 the LFA was entered in the Nurburgring 24-hour race, the intention being to push the car hard under testing conditions prior to its official launch as a production-ready model at the 2009 Tokyo motor show.

The LFA will be hand-assembled at the Motomachi plant in Toyota City. Only 500 examples will be built, at a maximum rate of 20 per month to ensure the finest build quality and attention to detail. Each V10 engine will be assembled by a single engineer, and will bear his signature as testament to each LFA’s bespoke status.

The UK launch price for the LFA is €368,000 (approximately £336,000). Owners can choose from an extensive range of options to personalise their car, including 30 different paint finishes. Certain items of standard equipment can also be removed, such as the audio system, to reduce the car’s weight.

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE

Engine Type

1LR-GSE

Cylinders/arrangement

V10

Valve mechanism

40-valve DOHC

Displacement (cc)

4,805

Bore x Stroke (mm)

88.0 x 79.0

Compression ratio

12.0:1

Fuel Injection Type

EFI,

Octane Rating

95 or higher

Max. Power (bhp @ rpm)

552 @ 8,700

Max Torque (Nm/rpm)

480 @ 6,800

Max. engine speed (rpm)

9,000

Exhaust emissions certification

Euro 5

PERFORMANCE

0-62mph (sec)

3.7

Max. speed (mph)

202

DIMENSIONS

Overall length (mm)

4,505

Overall width (mm)

1,895

Overall height (mm)

1,220

Wheelbase (mm)

2,605

Track (mm) front

1,580

Track (mm) rear

1,570

Overhang (mm) front

940

Overhang (mm) rear

960

Coefficient of Drag (Cd)

0.31

Fuel tank capacity (litres/gallons)

73/16.1

WEIGHTS (kg)

Kerb weight

1,480 – 1,580

Gross vehicle weight

1,700/1,750

TRANSMISSION

Gearbox type

6-speed Automated Sequential Gearbox

Front counter gear ratio

1.259

Gear ratios

1st

3.231

2nd

2.188

3rd

1.609

4th

1.233

5th

0.970

6th

0.795

Final drive ratio

3.417

Maximum permissible speed (mph)

1st

52

2nd

76

3rd

104

4th

136

5th

172

6th

-

BRAKES

 

Front – diameter x thickness (mm)

Cross-drilled ventilated discs, 399 x 34

Rear – diameter x thickness (mm)

Cross-drilled ventilated discs, 360 x 28

SUSPENSION

 

Front

Double wishbone with anti-roll bar

Rear

Multilink with anti-roll bar

STEERING

 

Steering gear type

Rack and pinion

Power steering type

Electric

Ratio

14.3

Turns lock to lock

2.35

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

 

Battery capacity, voltage and Ampère hour

12V-48AH

Alternator output (W)

2,640

Starter output (kW)

1.7

TYRES AND WHEELS

 

Wheels

Front

20x9.5J BBS alloy

Rear

20x11.5J BBS alloy

Tyres

Front

265/35R20 95Y

Rear

305/30R20 99Y

 

Comments

Kepe
October 21, 2009 12:58 PM
I got massive goosebumps from the engine noise :D It's absolutely brilliant!

sovietmole
October 22, 2009 2:40 AM
absolutely brilliant car..brilliant noise.. but way overpriced.. this car costs more than a V12 Ferrari?

hunkeers87
October 21, 2009 1:08 PM
zero emotion, nothing special....

Get_real
October 21, 2009 1:48 PM
'zero emotion': lol, cheap meaningless remark that can only be made by someone who doesn't have any 'real' argument. Stick to saying it is ugly like the other blind Japanese car haters.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 4:57 PM
Amen Get_Real, amen to that.

2010S5
October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
zero emotion, because you've driven it? you've seen it in life? because you know what it's like to own one? such stupididty.

Gile
October 21, 2009 9:20 PM
I would have R8 V10 over this car any day. Good performance, much better styling both exterior and interior and less money.

McNamara68
October 21, 2009 9:22 PM
not everyone who dislikes this car is a japanese car hater. i think this thing is butt ugly (too many holes, slits, and jagged lines; this thing is horridly incoherent), overpriced, and really nothing special considering how incredibly long it took them to develop it. there is no breakthrough tech here, maybe when M-B releases the electric drive SLS, Lexus will rush one into production and throw it into their television advertisements like they do with all their other so-called pioneering innovations. a nissan gtr is a far superior car numbers wise--price and performance--than this lexus. that's the japanese car i would kill to own. sorry.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 10:52 PM
You say its not good enough because of how long it took them McNamara? It took them so long because everything was done from scratch. For one it uses a V10 which takes a hell of a lot more engineering from the ground up rather than grabbing an existing V6 and just re-engineering it like the GT-R, as Nissan did.

Secondly, the GT-R engine is derived from their Super GT race engines so while they still had to re-engineer it to a degree, it wasn't as time consuming or nerve racking as macking your own V10 when you've NEVER made one before as Toyota did.

This whole car is from scratch. The Nissan is far more derivative of technology and engineering they had in place. Thats why the Lexus is more expensive, you pay for what you get, a rare and exclusive car.

Get_real
October 22, 2009 12:28 AM
Look guys, don't get me wrong. I can perfectly understand the argument it is (too) expensive. I think probably the price can be technically explained based on what it cost to develop it adding some profit, just like you would do with any run-of-the-mill car. But this seems more something as an image builder. In such case making a profit is maybe not so important. Remember the 959. Porsche lost money on every one they made... That's why I would have expected a lower price. Not sure if it's clear what I want to say. As an image builder, I think this car is a very good effort. If you ignore the price (not that difficult because even at half the price it is out of reach for most of the people on this site), you can simply not say this car has no emotion, no appeal, ... I'm pretty sure this car will drive like hell, the engine is awesome (even in company of whatever other OEM) and it looks special so if you get your head out of your ass, you have to admit it is at least an impressive car. You don't have to like the style, no argument there (I do by the way, it looks better than a 458 in my eyes).

GHERNAS
October 21, 2009 1:09 PM
Nce Japanese but no Piddgree and the price it is over!!

blay
October 21, 2009 1:10 PM
that thing... is so beautiful...

bone91
October 21, 2009 1:16 PM
it looks like a Nissan GT-R with different front and back end.

Gile
October 21, 2009 9:21 PM
So, how can it look like GT-R then? :)

Swifty
October 21, 2009 1:27 PM
it looks like that this will be the new Nurburgring record holder and GT-R beater!

tom43
October 21, 2009 1:34 PM
I don´t think so. Rear-wheel drive with front engine, low torque (480nm), moderate acceleration (3.7 vs. 3.4 for the much cheaper 911 turbo)...Another comment: the GT-R was never and is not the record holder at the Nordschleife!


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
die.bahnfahrer
October 21, 2009 1:45 PM
only japanese can build such ugly cars. who will pay 375k´s for looking like a nerd?

no thank you. i will take a panamera AND a turbo instead.

McNamara68
October 21, 2009 9:25 PM
A huge +1. Anyone who pays $375,000 for a lexus supercar that has virtually nothing unique about it is outside their mind!

sovietmole
October 22, 2009 2:23 AM
yea...the panamera is uniquely ugly

die.bahnfahrer
October 23, 2009 1:17 AM
then take a A8, 750il or S550 instead... or a SLS, a R8 Spider, even 12 Jetta are better value for money

Targa_Florio
October 21, 2009 2:04 PM
Stunning! 250k€ for such ugliness... What on earth could justify this except the dedicated engine (and CFRP making it still 100kg heavier than an aluminum F458)

Bristol411S3
October 21, 2009 2:07 PM
Not much to look at, but THAT ENGINE! And the exclusivity. In the same way that the NSX made people wonder why they'd but a Ferrari 348, so this may get a few potential 599 buyers sweaty.

MadAboutCars
October 21, 2009 2:37 PM
I like it, I just won't buy it at that price

nederina
October 21, 2009 2:49 PM
I miss the Carrera GT

ARF
October 21, 2009 3:08 PM
I think those all 3 muffler pipes are fake as in IS-F wkk lol...

dmanero
October 21, 2009 3:17 PM
Absolutly gourgous, thought the headlights could have been designed better. but still worth of my love.

Saebb
October 21, 2009 3:31 PM
Well, I am not a Japanese car hater... tech-wise and design-wise. But this is just boring, simply boring!

Prince_Ash
October 21, 2009 3:35 PM
wow what a car, really nice sound. and it looks nice too.

GRAVE
October 21, 2009 3:38 PM
In my opinion, this looks better than the 458 Italia, price should be between $200k-$230k not $375k!

Edison
October 21, 2009 4:08 PM
Styling aside (I like the Ferrari better), the stats on the Ferrari 458 Italia look better; 3.4 seconds to 100km/h, 570hp from 4.5 liters NA, 1380kg, dual clutch transmission, trick differential, active aerodynamics. I have no doubts that Lexus has built a great performing car, but I can't help but think that it has missed a few steps. I was expecting something a little different considering all of the hype and the decade-long gestation period.

Edison
October 21, 2009 4:09 PM
Forgot to mention, that the Ferrari is probably going to be cheaper than this by a fair margin.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 4:58 PM
Not when you factor in dealer mark-ups edison.(for the Ferrari).

scratchy996
October 21, 2009 5:39 PM
you order a Ferrari from Maranello , you don't need a dealer. and even with all mark-ups , the F458 is still cheaper, better looking, more luxurious and faster than this ugly Toyota.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 11:05 PM
I will concede that, dealership bull**** isn't worth the extra coin.

joelynn
October 21, 2009 3:55 PM
sounds fantastic and looks good in a high-tech kind of way- exactly as a high-tech japanese car should look- i'm glad the japanese are carving their own path in the supercar market and not trying to imitate european supercars.

Lennox....
October 21, 2009 3:58 PM
wow love the sound very very much!!

KD
October 21, 2009 4:08 PM
For starter, I don't think the new Mclaren is particularly attractive, so is the new 458. But at least they look their price. I got to admit the soundtrack of this car is top notch, but the looks more like a 30k car than 300k. All the vents & styling looks so boy racer. I thought the concept looks quite nice (minus the headlights).

-kolik-
October 21, 2009 4:11 PM
I want to like this car, I’ve tried to pretend that I like this car ... but I couldn’t. And why is that? First, I think for that carries that price tag, it doesn't give me the dramatic feel of the Ferrari 599 or the presence of SL65 Black or the charisma of the DBS (I compare these cars with the LFA because they all have Front engine and RWD setup). Although I love its high rev V10 engine and the noise, which reminds me with the Carrera GT, I think it looks well “kind of ugly”. I even think the Audi R8 looks more expensive than the LFA and for that alone I am disappointed with this car. I still hope it does well in the market, although I doubt that will be the case.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 5:02 PM
Personally, i love every aspect of this car. Its very well done and its at least 200lbs less than what i thought it would be. I have a feeling this cars main Ace will be its handling compared to its competition.

As for those who say its boring or ugly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In the eyes of me, its gorgeous, its sexy and it doesn't look like any other car, specifically the R8 ;), which can be hard these days.

The engine is godly and puts out as much power or more than its competition which is key. The torque curve is particularly great, as its strong from fairly low.

I think the price is a bit high but then again, regardless of what the "internet market analysts and engineers" here say, Toyota/Lexus knows they're building a top notch car.

scratchy996
October 21, 2009 5:44 PM
i would like this car too , but i'm not 13 anymore. this car looks like it's from "Fast and Furious" type of movies and it's OK if you like such things, but most boys grow out of it eventually.

2010S5
October 21, 2009 6:35 PM
wow shut up. you talk like you're not even 13. who are you to tell others what kind of cars they should and shouldn't be liking.

CndSalesPro
October 21, 2009 8:47 PM
Xanavi23 I do love your comment "regardless of what the "internet market analysts and engineers" here say". 90% of the poeple who reply seem to thing they are some sort of Automotive expert?

I do love this car, and I don't need someone else to tell me its "boy racer" or not.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 11:02 PM
Ya, scratchy, your point is useless as like i said, Beauty like a ladies, is in the eye of the beholder. Thats your opinion and quite frankly i couldn't careless.

You say it looks ricey...quite frankly i have no clue what you're saying. It has no huge wing, no altezza style tail lights, and you can bet your last dollar that priority on the looks was placed for aerodynamic efficiency.

The exhaust system unless you have dislexia, as maintained in the article courtesy of WCF, is a true design unlike the IS-Fs that is fake as much as i love that car(i hate its rear exhaust pipes(IS-F) too mind you).

So really, in no way shape or form is it ricey, but as usual you degrade the cars looks as ricey, with no design characteristics to support that claim. Its one thing to say its ugly, but to call it ricey, obviously just because its made by our Japanese friends instead of Italians or Germans, is flat out wrong.

I live in a place where damn Ricers roam, and i can't stand the way they kill their otherwise clean looking Japanese compacts and sports cars with truly ricer parts. So i know a hell of a lot better than you what constitutes rice...hate to break it to ya, but this ain't it man.

Thanks for the veiled insult though, you proved how mature you are despite the image you try to project.

Thanks to 2010S5 and CndSalesPro, not just for me, but dispelling some of the crap over here about a great car.

One last EDIT: when cars are this fast, no amount of suspension tuning can replace the positive effects of solid downforce specifically at speed. Thats why the Wing deploys only at speed, when it needs it most. Why do you think GT cars use "GT wings" because while those wings may be gaudy, they serve a purpose that subtle wing-lets just can't accomplish. Thats why the LF-A has the wing at back, so dont even call that rice, lest you sound even more ignorant.


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM
-kolik-
October 22, 2009 7:22 AM
Well what's good about an "awsome" product that is hard to sell (US$375,000 is quite a lot), but then again time will tell as this might turn out to be a classic like the NSX, pricy at the time, but a classic now ... "market analysts" like I am can only predict :P


Edited by user on October 22, 2009 at 7:24 AM
scratchy996
October 22, 2009 4:53 PM
too much text, but i'm sure you're right,this car will be the measure of all things from now on in both performance and aesthetics. can't argue with Toyota fanbois.

Xanavi23
October 22, 2009 11:54 PM
Ya, basically, you're too lazy to be bothered by reading a well written reply. Congrats Scratch. Toyota isn't my favorite car company. Porsche is, but just because i like Porsche as a car make a little bit more, im not a biased guy like you, who will rip a very good sports car like the LF-A, for stupid reasons.

I never said it will be the greatest sports car on the market, once again you prove your ineptness at reading or just mental laziness again to read. What i said was that despite a high price tag, its a very good car. Toyota has no choice but to place a steep tag on it, given the price of Development. What i did was contend its clearly high quality that can't really be shunned in comparison to its rivals, certainly not by ignorant individuals like yourself. I never said it will "be the measure of all things".


Edited by user on October 23, 2009 at 3:01 AM
Uloszaminje
October 21, 2009 5:49 PM
Mercedes SLS is the best.

mn07
October 21, 2009 6:18 PM
Everythings Good expect the price. For that much there are better cars.

McNamara68
October 21, 2009 9:28 PM
I would buy a Mercedes SLS ($230,000), a Porsh GT3 ($120,000) and throw $20,000 into my kid's college fund.

awhk
October 21, 2009 6:24 PM
Looking at the specs, this car is very normal by today's super car standards. It doesn't have the look to back it up as well. Toyota knows that people would by a F458 or LP560-4 over this so they moved away from mass produced super cars market to limited productions with higher price tag. I guess there will always be people who are stupid enough to buy this due to its exclusivity. I guess those super-rich people won't mind having one for grocery shopping.

2010S5
October 21, 2009 6:34 PM
Numbers aren't everything. How can you judge a car and people who buy it with its specs alone. As for looks, they're a purely subjective matter.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 11:09 PM
More ignorance. Calm down Mr. Koenniggsegg Engineer...560hp is "normal by todays standards". Like you drive a Veyron to work everyday. Jesus man lol, that was a rediculous comment. 3.7 seconds while not the fastest is still rediculously fast, especially with an attainable 202mph top speed. Furthermore with no testing, you have no clue how fast the car is in real life, or within specific speed constraints like 50-200mph. Nor do you have any factual data about its lateral grip on a skid pad.

You just talk out of your @$$ like you oversaw the build and testing of the car. Opinions need to backed up by some facts not to mention intelligence.

nickmini
October 21, 2009 6:27 PM
The carbon fiber chassis and early development cost(practically share nothing with other Toyota/Lexus) makes it more expensive than people expected.(Exotic carbon fiber chassis can only be found on SLR, Zonda, Carrera GT, ENZO class, sorry no 458 Italia/LP670-SV...)

However putting this golden engine in a normal chassis Supra or even next generation IS-F does make a lot of sense!

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 11:22 PM
GREAT comment. People don't understand that Toyota, before the LF-A, Toyota didn't make ANY aspect of this cars technology. Nor did they have the engineering know how and R&D like other elite sports car makers did/do.

It cost them a HELL of alot to build this car, especially when this Niche product doesn't exactly fit into their volume car sales portfolio.

2010S5
October 21, 2009 6:29 PM
This is truly incredible. The engine and exhaust sound like a Lamborghini's; extraordinarily captivating. The styling is killer. This car alone has really improved Lexus' image to me. The price tag is quite out of range for a Lexus but maybe this car is worth it. I love it.

Just can't happen but wonder, maybe it would've been better for this car to be branded as a Toyota.

Xanavi23
October 21, 2009 11:11 PM
I would love to see this wear a Toyota badge, personally the Supra name even more, but obviously the Supra was never this kind of car, not stock anywho.

CDspeed
October 21, 2009 6:30 PM
I liked the concept version better. Although if Lexus is becoming the asian Buick it will bring retirement homes a bit more excitement.

PawL
October 21, 2009 6:51 PM
Sounds like a 2005 F1 car. But still Porsche Carrera GT has the best engine sound!

catchmyshadow
October 21, 2009 7:09 PM
The 997TT MK-II has a faster acceleration than both, the F458 italia and the LF-A and is much much much cheaper and the 997GT2 MK_II will annihilate them even more. the figures of this car are pretty dated already but that´s no surprise, it took them ages to reveal it.


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM
salival
October 21, 2009 7:14 PM
is it me or do those rims look like "grown up" Saab 9-3 Aero ones?

autoficianado
October 21, 2009 7:20 PM
...Holy shades of Toyota Celica Batman...Mercedes 6.3 AMG V8 engine outperforms this V10 Toyota...Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, and Bugatti out perform this suped-up Celica and can command the price they charge through heritage and hand built artistry. The world is coming to an end...we have Toyota engines powering Lotus cars and now a supercar from the manufacturer that defines boring...Lexus couldn't even sell enough of those SC coupes to keep them in production and now they think they can sell this modern day Celica for €250,720/US$375,000...good job Toyota you have redefined the price of boring.


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 7:30 PM
alex_w115
October 22, 2009 3:46 AM
...toyota does know a thing or two about making enigines...

HEMI426
October 21, 2009 7:31 PM
I like this car, the only lexus I like. THe enigne is great, interor looks good, the seats are very nice. But it still hasn't got a manual gearbox, have sportscar builders forgot what that is or what? The front is at least ugly, at least the lights.

GRAVE
October 21, 2009 7:38 PM
It looks beautiful, don't know why all of you hate it, it doesn't look like any other car which is good, i like every thing in this car exept the price, i think it deserves 50% of its price tag.

joshg_5
October 21, 2009 8:42 PM
LOVE the back. Very unique, proportional, and sporty -which is very difficult to do-. Really not impressed by the front unfortunately...

But that can be forgiven when one hears the most beautiful sound to ever come out of a street production car!!!!!!!

At the end of the day:

- Great performance -but not the best

- High price - but without the name to support it

- "The best car I've ever driven" (automotive journalist).

- Great UNIQUE looks, and a promising car no matter how you look at it.


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM
hata0101
October 21, 2009 8:43 PM
it's gonna be the BEST GT/ sport car! i mean, overall...look at everything on the pictures, inside & out, all well designed & shaped with best materials, with top-rated build quality from Toyota/ Lexus!

johnakis
October 21, 2009 9:45 PM
not so beautiful i was waiting more from lexus!:(

Cronus111
October 21, 2009 9:50 PM
(sniff)... It's so beautiful... for the first time in my entire life, I love a Japanese car more than a European... I LOVE YOU LEXUS!!!

m3mode
October 21, 2009 10:23 PM
i really think that lexus cant deliver, they tryed with IS-F against BMW and failed. Lexus always add to much to the car stuff that dosnt need to be there " like whats up with the fake air scoops in the back of the car"?? theirs no engin in the back and all of the vents in the back dosnt do anything. The side vents maybe help the brakes in the back, but other then that the car is way, way over prised for that much i would buy a LP-640. and trust me the Zonda F is by far the best design function and engineered and better sound throught all 6 gears the whole car is CF and has more hp and faster times, but from them moving from mass prodution to me thats BULLS**T Zonda is strickly by hand just like the Vayron and thoughs cars are in the millons.

hescian
October 21, 2009 10:35 PM
The biggest concern should be the gearbox. Lexus make terrible transmissions, even on the IS-F. For this car to be decent, even with that engine, Lexus will have to have made an entirely new transmission.

wjaprep
October 21, 2009 11:11 PM
3.... 375k? FOR A LEXUS?!?!?!?! someone at Toyota is drunk. I culd buy a more powerful Ferrari or Lamborghini for that kind of money.

the car looks good... but... nope.

joshg_5
October 21, 2009 11:12 PM
@ m3mode: Buddy, if you're gonna b*tch about an amazing car, please do so with some proper grammar and spelling so we can comprehend it. Thanks.


Edited by user on October 21, 2009 at 11:13 PM
RobERob
October 21, 2009 11:21 PM
No complaints from me! I love the car, just not the price (wow). Toyota must really have something here when you consider how long it took them to finally build the supercar they wanted. Hopefully, the price can backup the claim. It's a beauty!

Anyway, here's another Youtube link: watch?v=OB85hwb2_r4&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-HM

GuyOh
October 21, 2009 11:24 PM
looks wise, its just mehhhhhh

but the sound is awesome!!!

Bristol411S3
October 21, 2009 11:33 PM
Ooh I've just remebered it's rumoured this engine could make it to the new Lotus Esprit! That is something worth waiting for!

Schumacherfan91
October 21, 2009 11:36 PM
Toyota planned to release the LFA after Toyota had won their first GP in F1. Apparently they realized they couldn't win and released it anyway. BMW won in 2007, two years after entering F1 as a costructor, Toyota has been in it since 2002 and has no wins to show for it despite spending more than Ferrari! I'm sorry but Japanese cars have not done well historically in motorsport, so what does this car represent?? Give me a GT2 with the same acceleration and 30 less hp and a higher top speed. And 200K extra in the bank.

joelynn
October 22, 2009 12:55 AM
if BMW were so great in F1 why did they pull out?

RobERob
October 22, 2009 1:58 AM
"I'm sorry but Japanese cars have not done well historically in motorsport"

Are you serious? Might want to rethink that statement: you couldn't be more wrong! Honda, a Japanese company, accomplished complete dominance in F-1 and cart during the 90's. How can you over look something like that? F-1 has become too restrictive now, but back then, F-1 was more about the driver and innovation/technology and Honda couldn't be beat! Might also want to look at Honda's historical involvement with McLaren buddy.

dnipete
October 22, 2009 3:12 AM
BMW won in just two years? C'mon are you really into F1? Technically they were in F1 for just two years but actually was only a rebadged Sauber F1 team. If we really count the current teams involvement in F1 you will find that Toyota is still the youngest team.

abugatti
October 22, 2009 12:42 AM
maybe you guys are too old if this car looks ugly, or you are just too euro-super car fan. to me, this car shows the future generations of new super car era. this is the best car design i've ever seen!!


Edited by user on October 22, 2009 at 12:43 AM
MadeInGermany
October 22, 2009 2:54 AM
Amazing! never thought a japanese car can top that specs!! This car destroys the scuderia, gallardo LP560 and the audi r8 v10 is nowhere near the LFA performance. hope BMW will come up with a better supercar.

dnipete
October 22, 2009 3:08 AM
Wow,counting how many the comments are for this car its may already be a success for Lexus at least for this site. Getting attention!

Good job Lexus! Love that car!

Shark
October 22, 2009 3:36 AM
Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren need not worry! $400k u.s. for 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, how slow is the 1/4 mile? /Top speed of only 204 mph? I am sure there won't be anyone lining up to buy this when they can get so much more for less. So what they are building 500copies for, they definitely will not be selling all of them. Then the bargain cars like the GT-R and ZR1 put this to shame performance wise and you can buy yourself a house for the money you will save!

jerry05cod4
October 22, 2009 4:12 AM
people stop hating on this car... the car's design is great and it has a brilliant engine... im sure when it performs better the the europeans you'll just have to shut up. This car's performance is not about going in a straight line but rather being the best overall machine, its track based performance

Xanavi23
October 22, 2009 5:51 AM
Exactly, this car isn't built to be a drag car. Secondly im positive its 0-60 time we've seen is done without Launch Control. Of which most other cars use to get better acceleration times.

Edison
October 22, 2009 7:20 AM
So the various Ferraris, BMWs, and Porsches that you speak of are built for straightline speed??? You know, there are cars that are fast in a straight line AND are fast on the track as well.

Xanavi23
October 22, 2009 8:07 AM
Im well aware of that, what i was saying was that the LF-A will prove itself highly competitive around tracks. I made that point because alot of people here focus on only one data point, its 0-60.

Ferrariguy
October 22, 2009 4:51 AM
Hahahaha at "Schumacherfan91," clearly you need to stay quiet. You know NOTHING about cars and motorsports racing.

Banglefan350
October 22, 2009 7:01 AM
Having payed fairly close attention to the development of this car over the last four years or so, I have to say i am pleasantly surprised by the final prototype. I was convinced that it would be horribly bland and uninteresting, and that despite whatever new tech it had under the hood, it would not catch anyone's attention. Obviously the number of comments on this wall have laid those fears to rest. I still feel that the car looks a bit dated (even the original concept looked that way to me) and some of the vents/scoops/details feel like purely cosmetic decoration (as opposed to design) that only goes skin deep on a general body configuration that is fairly standard-issue. That being said, compared to the spy shots of test mules we've been seeing this final prototype looks very polished. Fit and finish look great and the overall theme of the car is much stronger than I thought it would be. It also sounds FANTASTIC! Love that 9000rpm redline! I make no comment on the price, since for myself, a poor design student, it is as unattainable as any other supercar you care to name. A solid first effort by Lexus.

radmeister
October 22, 2009 7:07 AM
I'm sorry but for 375k you can buy a mercedes SL65 Black and throw in a brabus tuning kit, hell you can get a used SLR with under 2000miles for 375k. This is a bit ridiculous. Or a Gemballa GT2 Evo 750, or a CGT. This a little bit crazy, lexus wants to make their audience younger i mean how many young people have 375k lying around and would spend it on a lexus. This car should have been priced around 135k. Also does anyone notice how similar the engine is to the 5L BMW V10 in the M5?

Xanavi23
October 22, 2009 8:08 AM
Obviously this specific model doesn't coincide with Lexus' wishes to cater to younger masses, nor does they intend it to.

BlueBiturbo
October 22, 2009 5:29 PM
For that much money .. I'd rather but a Lambo Murci LP-640... or a Gallardo LP-560 and put Heffner Turbos

radmeister
October 23, 2009 4:39 AM
Forget about Heffner turbos, how about one of his girlfriends instead?

olaide
October 23, 2009 6:41 AM
this lexus is a great car better than most of the supercars out there those ones who are hating keep being jealous cos u cant do better.

m3mode
October 23, 2009 8:47 AM
BMW has the fastest hybrid out on the maket, and trust me lexus is not the futur, Superhybrids are the futur with all the globle warming these days wheir all wasting money and time cars that dont need to be made for bragging rights we need to change are habbits and thats what most car makers are aiming for.

mpower333
October 23, 2009 9:19 AM
Is that price a joke? Do they actually expect to sell these? Or is this just for show?

GermanCarsRule
October 23, 2009 12:34 PM
just one word: ugly and expensive.

BrianWCF
December 15, 2009 5:05 PM
That would be two words. You're not allowed to be here if you cant count.

meizterwerk
October 23, 2009 1:19 PM
i have to agree that it was overpriced but in terms of reliability, i think no supercar can break the lfa. bottom line, its awesome.

q8lambo
October 23, 2009 3:49 PM
i don't know why 90% of the people here don't get it , this car is expensive not just because of it's quality but because there will only be 500 LF-A worldwide

tzaikun
October 25, 2009 2:36 AM
I agree with meizterwerk, another very important aspect of the vehicle, that may not be important to others, is that since it is from Lexus, it will be much more reliable than other supercars. As much as I've been waiting for the release of the LF-A, I don't agree with the price tag.

Albe
October 27, 2009 9:27 AM
This looks tough as hell, i'll take one in black.

eddie
October 31, 2009 6:13 PM
10 Years in the making but now 10 years behind. Buy a Lambo.

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