Next generation Dodge Viper rumoured to receive Ferrari V10

I think that the Viper is more "sophisticated " then a pair of Ferrari socks, and yeah the Viper should sound american, not italian, just make small upgrades to the Viper engine and it will be fine, also a Ferrari engine will mean goodbye torque, goodbye torque will mean goodbye Viper.

why would a Ferrari engine mean good bye torque ? if they make a big engine specially for Viper it will have more torque and more horsepower than the current Viper engine.

he's right... ferrari don't have a lot of torque. comparably speaking. their all about high revving, lightweight, high horsepower, ear orgasmic.... i lost my train of thought. damnit lol but i think i got my point through haha

they don't have a lot of torque because they use small engines and they don't need a lot of torque for their light cars. but i bet the Ferrari engineers can design a better engine than the Viper engine in their lunch break, especially if they have to build a slow revving 8l+ engine.

to "renegade".. no torque? Spoken like a true caveman. Give the Viper engineers only 4.3 liters to work with(and dont let them outsource it to another company) and see how much power they come up with. To only get 600hp out of 8.4 liters is truly embarassing. The replacement for displacement is called technology.

well they said new pushrod V10 and the viper is a muscle car so i suppose it could be like a 8.0L engine and be the same as before just a bit more sophisticated

a proper Italian high revving engine would be too expensive. a big low revving pushrod engine will be their choice, most probably with direct injection.

If that's the case, how many horsepower will the new 8.0L+ V10 make? 700hp?

i would buy a viper

"any Ferrari will kill the Viper any day" ??????? Viper fans are still waiting for a Ferrari, any Ferrari (well, not the FXX of course), to topple the Viper ACRs Nurburgring lap time. Not saying that it can't be done, just that it hasn't happened yet. And hasn't the Viper earned a reputation on the international racing scene as a car capable of beating Ferrari? I pretty sure the answer is yes. With that said, yes, if I had the money I would certainly purchase a Ferrari...and a Viper.

if Ferrari wants , they could make a car that tops the 'Ring time any day, do you really think that is a problem for them ? if a small company like Radical can make a sub 7 minutes car, why couldn't Ferrari do it ? about that question , of course most people would buy a Ferrari if money was no option. in the real world a car like the 599 or California is much better than a track car like the ACR.

Ferrari can easily knock the viper of the board at the ring, its below them and they far better than having to prove themselves. Viper - Ferrari, mmmm, hands down a Ferrari they have a better reputation and looks 10 better. When last have you seen any high profile person driving a viper. most of them go for real supercars. European breed.

i think its quite redicluous to think that people would choose the viper over the ferrari. so to answer the question, the ferrari would be the overwhelming choice. the ferrari is a way better car in every aspect. its only through personal preference for the love of a big V10 that someone would choose a viper and that would also only happen in America.

wtf are you talking about? GM & the Italians bailing them out...If you don't even know which company you are talking about...then I am sure you just don't know what you are talking about...

The current tried and true Viper V10, a gloriously unsophisticated low-revving torque monster, was really nothing more than the old 318/360 truck engine with 2 additional cylinders attached. If Dodge (or Fiat) feel that they must improve the engine of the Viper, I think that they could simply add 2 more cylinders to Dodges' ultra-powerful NASCAR V8. Its a proven winner on the racetrack so most of the development has already been done, its also more compact and lighter. Viper enthusiasts would be proud to boast that their favorite car is powered by an American engine, Ferraris' name wouldn't get dragged through the mud (cuz the Viper would end up being slower...hee hee), and everybody would be happy. Ferrari no doubt COULD build a large displacement, high torque, low-revving engine to satisfy American tastes, but it just isn't their style. Alternative: How 'bout a V10 version of the current Hemi, complete with Chryslers' Multi-Displacement System (MDS) and variable valve timing.

are you kidding me? take the nascar v8 strap on two more cylinders and put it in the viper? it's not april 1 again already is it?

So where can I buy these regular honda, mercedes, ferrari, or porsche cars with a race engines? Please enlighten me. Because the last time I checked there was a huge difference between the engines available in all their cars and the engines they used in motorsport (with minor exceptions). Nascar engines are old fashioned, archaic, pushrod, cast iron, carbureted dinosaurs that are about as relevant to today's sports cars as silly putty. Great as they might be on the race track they don't have the performance, economy, emissions, affordability or durability required for a road car.

i don't know about Honda and Merc, but Carrera GT has an engine that was developed for racing and then turned into a street legal engine. the 911 GT3 engine is directly derived from the racing engine used in 1998 in the GT1. Ferrari 599 engine is a detuned Enzo engine, used in GT1 racing in the Maserati MC12. i think the Scuderia engine is derived from the F430 GT2 engine.

Hence the few exceptions. When was the Carrera GT engine used in racing? It wasn't. Really it could come down to simple marketing rhetoric. The 599 engine is developed from the Enzo engine. A road car. the MC12 engine is developed from the Enzo engine too. The F430 GT2 was developed from the engine in the standard F430 engine. All of which can trace their "heritage" to formula two engines of the 60's. BUT they can hardly be argued as race car engines thrown into road cars. And I think you will find that the 911 GT3 engine tracks back to road cars past the 1998 GT1 (not disputing the heritage, it just doesn't seem right to me) Road car engines/blocks/architecture developed into racing engines is nothing new. In fact they are in the majority. Show me where I buy a Honda or Mercedes or Ferrari or Porsche with a race car engine. Real racing engines cost tens of times the cost of road engines, and ignoring economy, emissions, drivability, etc, they have to last a dozen or so races between rebuilds not hundreds of thousands of kilometers. Why does chevy bother with developing the LS series when they can just sling in a V8 from NASCAR. Why does Holden use LS engines when they can get similarly archaic engines from V8 supercars? Why can't I buy an Audi with the engine from a R10 or R15?

the Carrera GT was developed for racing , but then the regulations changed and they used it in a road car instead. the GT3 engine is directly derived from the GT1 engine. google it. of course you can't use racing engines on the road , but there are engines that derive from racing.

sideskraper: I never said or even implied that engines are, have been, nor should they ever be plucked straight out of the race car and placed in an old womans' grocery getter. That my fantasy "NASCAR V10" would have to be detuned, civilized, cleaned up, i.e. fuel injected, and in general made to be more efficient, is so obvious that I didn't feel it was even worth mentioning. In the past the only way to tell the difference between a connecting rod that failed at 5,000 rpm and one that didn't was to put it on the racetrack. The rod that survived was put in grandpas' Buick. That engines have become ever more powerful, efficient, and compact is directly attributable to racing. BTW: Dodges' current 5.9 liter (358 c.i.) NASCAR type engine, the "dinosaur," you know, the one that's "old fashioned, archaic, [uses] pushrod(s), [and is made from] cast iron," puts out a little more than 800hp and it doesn't fly apart at 9000 rpm. Add 2 cylinders, give it fuel injection, an aluminum block, and then send it to charm school and put it in a Viper. Copy. Paste. Enjoy. http://www.viddler.com/explore/BangShiftVideo/videos/29/ Also: Hondas' very first forays into the four-wheeled world took place in Formula 1, and Mercedes was racing at the turn of the last century. Next time you're hauling the kids to soccer practice and your tach needle swings past 7,000 rpm and the engine doesn't explode, thank a racing engineer.

The F50 used a V12 from a formula 1 car

Ferrari engines are race derived, high revving, made to squeeze the maximum possible amount of power out of a given displacement. the old engines were not reliable , the new ones can be used daily, but they require good maintenance. for the Viper, however, Ferrari engineers don't have to go to extremes, with more than 8 liters displacement to work with they will design a cheap, low tech, high displacement, slow revving engine that will be easy to maintain and reliable too.

you don't get it. it won't be a typical Ferrari engine. it will be a dumbed down muscle car engine developed by Ferrari. btw, Lambo helped develop the first Viper engine so there always was something Italian in the Viper engine.

Designing and building a new OHV V10 with Ferrari input is absurd given the fact that they have zero know how with purshrod designs, and also it would end up being too expensive in the end. It?s better to leave that part to the Mopar guys who know their stuff and can deliver an appropriate engine for the car in terms of power, torque, sound and driveability, and still not drive the retail price through the roof.