Announcing WCF PRO - sneak preview
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faster photo loading is a plus. now it is ssssslow in looking at pics Onnne by Onnnne.
"VIP member status within WCF Social community"
- so kids can shout at each other and feel like an VIP.
June 26, 2009 7:56 am
I strongly urge everyone to read the article above completely before making comments or asking questions.
We're already receiving confused emails/comments asking about details already addressed above.
The purpose of WCF PRO:
"WCF PRO is intended as an alternate viewing option for those who wish to have an enhanced WCF experience. The standard ad supported WCF site as you see it today will remain the same."
EMPHASIZE: News stories and photos will remain freely accessible.
June 26, 2009 9:05 am
Brian, sometimes I really feel sorry for you having to deal with all the idiots on this board who hide behind the internet to say stupid things that they would never say to someone's face. Kudos to you for all your hard work.
Fishes,
Narco.
July 16, 2009 4:08 pm
Yes, of course it's hard to take comments that are way off base without taking it personally because we work really hard to make WCF as good as we can. But that's part of the job so we roll with the punches and get back to work.
However, for every poor comment, there are ten productive ones that actually make a difference. We are very appreciative of that.
I appreciate the support Narco! :D
July 20, 2009 2:20 pm
Cool. I like the flash-based image gallery. But other than that, the whole pro thing is quite unnecessary. I use firefox with the adblock plus, so I don't have any ads on the site.
I'm sure some users (with a bit more money than a pesky student has) will buy into this. That of course depends on how large the monthly subscription fee is.
June 26, 2009 9:16 am
you said: Also, removing the banner ads would allow us to streamline our photo galleries with Flash based controls and full screen hi-resolution images with a click of a button.
what are you talking about? you could do the same with all the banner ads today. no difference technologically.
also what do you mean by exlusive spy photos for pro members? Lets face it same spy photos are at dozens of web sites.
and for final there is no way I am going to pay to read news.
you do have way too many banners. IT is not the quantity that counts but quality of ads. So if you ad more and more it only makes readers more frustrated.
June 26, 2009 9:29 am
noworkday, you said "what are you talking about? you could do the same with all the banner ads today. no difference technologically. "
The difference is that banner ads are currently shown with every photo or page view. The flash gallery allows photos to be shown without a page view, therefore, the ad revenue generated from these photo page views would disappear.
You said, "there is no way I am going to pay to read news. "
Once again, I must emphasize, news and photos will remain free and openly accessible for all to read.
Lastly, we have the opportunity to license/create spy materials exclusively, particularly videos. They will not appear anywhere else but WCF. If they do appear on other sites, measures will be taken towards the offending sites.
We also have the possibility to bring back an old colleague of ours, Nick Hall, who can provide supercar test drives once again. And this time with exclusive videos.
But it all depends on how well WCF PRO is initially received.
June 26, 2009 10:08 am
A GOOD IDEA.
Live Motorsport event coverage possible? That would be good.
June 26, 2009 9:34 am
I like the concept, and will probably buy in. Not so much for specific content... but more for support of one of the few non-biased auto reporting sites. I do like the idea of high-res pictures though, as they make for great desktops!
June 26, 2009 9:50 am
yes finally! awesome full screen app, download all button!! i hope it will be at an affordable fee.
and also I hope there will be paypal and CC billing options. I hate ccbill.
June 26, 2009 10:05 am
So, how much will it cost? I've bought a VIP status for one site. It costs 10?/year. That's the maximum amount I'd pay for the PRO membership in WCF.
June 26, 2009 10:27 am
@Brian
google adsense is CPC based so I dont understand it. I do understand that with flash gallery there won't be ads as user pay to read news and there is no need to show em ads.
another thing. You guys had "supercar" tests long time ago. So now they are coming back and only for paid readers?
sry but I dont understand that either, as all test drives can be read elsewhere.
id rather see test drives about everyday cars, cars that people really buy. If I want to entertain myself and see what supercars can do I watch Top Gear.
June 26, 2009 10:55 am
noworkday, just to clarify, users will not have to pay to read news. News and photos will stay freely accessible for all visitors.
If we proceed with supercar test drives and videos, they will be our own proprietary materials exclusive to WCF. Otherwise we wouldn't be offering them to Pro members. Yes, you will be able to read different stories about the same cars elsewhere, but again, it won't be the same as WCFs.
Noworkday, I appreciate your ambivalence, but clearly WCF Pro will not be for everyone nor is it intended to take over WCF. Is is merely an alternative viewing option for those who would like to help support WCF (thanks zoolander), and place value on what we are offering.
Adsense is only one part of our revenue and it is not solely CPC but CPM as well.
June 26, 2009 11:43 am
I always disliked flash and java sites. Good to update the site getting rid of ads for those who feel to pay for it, it's so on many other sites, and seems to work.
I just think the using flash is a worng idea. I like to browse pics, and when I like one, I prefer to right-click and save it or use the browser commands rather than using another button and being limited on what I can do with the pic.
I'd keep them in normal language, like they do on serioushweels, for instance. I hate when the image is a link to something else, even the next page, or isn't an actual object and not something taken out of a library by java, flash or php archives.
My 2cents.
PS there used to be more spy-shots a while ago, and more accurate (less speculated) stories about them. I'd like to see this again too.
June 26, 2009 11:51 am
Good ideas, as long as you don?t start getting greedy and start taking away photos and articles for non-paying viewers or only develop the VIP part and not the free part. For example you can easily use the flash photo player/Gallery w/ads. Just don't forget, the moment you start taking photos and articles hostage you will start loosing viewers to bigger guys like autoblog or next auto.
June 26, 2009 1:33 pm
I am an avid WCF enthusiast. I've been here since before there were "other" car fans (remember GCF?). However, I'm a touch too computer savvy to pay for ANYTHING online (free porn corrupted me long ago). As much as I would love to support WCF and the hard work required to inform and entertain, I doubt very seriously I will subscribe to anything...and, more than likely, I'll still view the premium content too.
Great ideas though guys. Keep up the good work!
June 26, 2009 2:15 pm
"The standard ad supported WCF site as you see it today will remain the same." Thats a very important thing for me, even though i will subscribe - given reasonable pricing.
Viewing photos faster is definitely very important too.
Looking forward to it!
June 26, 2009 2:57 pm
Thanks for the great feedback everyone.
@joshg: "Thats a very important thing for me, even though i will subscribe - given reasonable pricing."
Thanks joshg, the last thing we want to do is alienate our most loyal hardcore readers. Certain death would be inevitable if we were to try and take any content away.
If anything we would hope WCF Pro will give us the leverage to improve the quality and quantity of news articles. And not just develop WCF Pro solely.
June 26, 2009 4:50 pm
@noworkday
dude, WCF 'will remain the same'!!! WCF Pro is 'not required'!! So if you are not willing to pay, then you can always visit the 'regular' page, what's all the fuss? Believe it or not, I do understand your frustration, but no one in the world would go to great lengths just to ensure that they satisfy all your needs....especially when its free!
Like you are asking, why don't all car manufacturers make their cars run forever? duh? Of course they can, but then no one will wanna pay for a $100K Ford Fiesta that will run forever. Also, they will no be able to sell newer cars, parts and suppliers will not exist, it will not make much economic sense.
Dude, you wan free lunch? U got it, WCF 'is' free. U wan caviar with your lunch? Well then, buy your own caviar.
June 26, 2009 3:32 pm
I like the idea, right now waiting for the images to load up is very time consuming and tiresome
June 26, 2009 4:10 pm
Brian WCF
I have been an avid visitor to WCF for a couple of years now, and have converted all of my "car guy" friends to use WCF as their home page. The depth of coverage, lack of bias, and message boards are truly what separate you from the rest. As long as the pricing is reasonable, I'm sure I would subscribe. Beyond what was mentioned with motorsport coverage (great idea) I would also like to suggest a faster update available for paid subscribers. When Chrysler and GM declared bankruptcy, or any of the drama surrounding F1, it could be a day or so before it's posted on WCF. Maybe a faster update for paying customers? Just a thought. Thanks, and keep up the great work!
June 26, 2009 6:04 pm









