Ferrari Turbo Engine Patent Office Schematics Surface

Ferrari twin turbo V8 engine patent schematic

By Thami Masemola
May 29, 2009 4:59 PM
Filed Under: European, Ferrari, Leaks, Rumours

Autocar claim to have uncovered plans by Italian supercar maker Ferrari to develop a new turbo engine. Apparently a patent application by the automaker was filed with accompanying schematics. This patent is said to be for a "turbocharged internal combustion engine with V arrangement." Those who say they have seen it state that the number of cylinders is not specified but the drawing reveals a V8 layout.

A couple of speculative stories have appeared that purport to Ferrari changing its philosophical strategies somewhat. About two years ago it was thought that the Enzo replacement would be fitted with a twin turbo V8 engine. More recently the word dreaded most by hardcore enthusiasts, namely hybrid, was bandied about in the same sentence as the legendary Scuderia Ferrari. Worse still is that this supposed Ferrari hybrid works in conjunction with a 4x4 system.

Two of the motor manufacturers left in Formula One sell a range of turbocharged performance cars. But while BMW and Mercedes-Benz's turbo applications stretch their entire lineup, Ferrari hasn't touched a turbine in years, despite its greatest nemesis Porsche practically owning the high-performance turbo sphere. If Ferrari really is working on a turbo V engine this might mean that second turbo era in F1 is coming.

 

Source: autocar.co.uk

Comments

LeonOfTheDead
May 29, 2009 5:26 PM
I don't even know how they can believe this is true. The same with the supposed schemes for their hybrid and 4x4 systems...they don't even have an hybrid system yet!

HEMI426
May 29, 2009 6:12 PM
Ferrari and turbo's = not good and pethetic

steelerfan2009
May 29, 2009 7:23 PM
um the f40 was a turbo.

speed_freak
May 30, 2009 12:47 AM
It's true, the F40 has a 2.9L twin-turbo V8. Do some research first, kid.

afterace2
May 29, 2009 6:57 PM
I guess they will put this in their upcoming SUV?

MutantSushi
May 29, 2009 10:14 PM
@Leon of the Dead: The hybrid reference is to another patent application which also was covered on this site. The writer here erroneously describes that system as "working in CONJUNCTION with a 4x4 system", when in fact the entire point of that hybrid system was that the main engine would remain solely linked to the rear wheels and individual electric motors would drive the front wheels when AWD is preferred to RWD.

Likewise, the nature of patents seem not to be realized by the writers here, who bizarrely stress the number of cylinders portrayed in the patent. The patent is not related in any way to production plans, it's purpose is to describe an IDEA which clearly is not exclusive to a certain number of cylinders.

The only substance of the story is that Ferrari may be looking to return to turbos... All the other stuff is extraneous fluff.

BrianWCF
May 30, 2009 12:28 AM
Hey, i'm surprised you didn't quote autocar. jk :D


Edited by user on May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM
LeonOfTheDead
May 30, 2009 1:23 AM
What I meant, basically, is that, living in Modena and with a close friend involved in these projects, is that there is no patent filled or whatever it may be regarding an hybrid system to date. They are just wnodering on how to do it, but the simply idea to have the free space for an electric motor, let alone two, would be a dream come true for them. The 4x4 System is already designed in conjunction with Haldex on the other hand, while there is no reason to fill a patent for their new twin turbo V8 which, as far as I know, doesn't adopt any new technology or device to justify the patent.

That said, I agree with you.


Edited by user on May 30, 2009 at 1:25 AM
MutantSushi
May 30, 2009 5:25 AM
Sure.

The 'new technology' in the turbo patent looks to be a minor tweak of the twin turbo arrangement. Nothing so interesting, but the stuff of which patents are made, and indicating Ferrari's working with turbos.

Re: the "hybrid" AWD patent (little related to Priuses and the like), mounting the electric motors within the front wheels themselves would be the likely solution if space is a constraint.


Edited by user on May 30, 2009 at 5:26 AM
Prince_Ash
May 29, 2009 10:38 PM
lol ferrari suv with turbo, thats just like the porsche cayenne. oh dear god what is ferrari doing.

carbonsigma
May 30, 2009 3:36 AM
Children, children. Read the article. And just because something has four wheel drive doesn't mean it's an SUV.

Ash
May 30, 2009 7:46 AM
Pretty LAME looking PATENTS, looks like something done by a first year high school pupil. Very short on detail and real facts like measurements,tolerances,materials, etc...I call BS.

sv7600
May 30, 2009 4:10 PM
Its just a patent.. all patents never make it to production..

LeonOfTheDead
May 30, 2009 7:21 PM
@ MutantSushi They don't have they space for electric motors or whatsoever. The solution would be using in-wheels motors, but afaik there aren't production ready units. Even managing to fit the AWD system has been quite a struggle. And it's a conventional one, a mechanical system, not involving the hybrid solution. What I know is they wanted to fit something Prius-like, but it's just an idea, a will, or was so until december '08.

out4ride
May 30, 2009 8:07 PM
What's interesting is that u can see two air intakes for each turbo but then they blow air into master outlet before splitting into two intercoolers. Isn't in twin turbo system air blown from each turbo into its own intercooler?

ivanadrive
May 31, 2009 2:27 AM
My guess would be that it's for a Maserati engine. Aren't they using Ferrari engines and weren't they reknown for their turbo engines?

joshg_5
November 13, 2009 4:36 AM
T-T-T-TURBO F1....!!!!!!

V-10 Turbo please!

But Ecclestone will probably find a way to ruin that...

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