2010 Porsche 911 GT3 Posts 7m 40s Time on Nurburgring

2010 Porsche 911 GT3

By Thami Masemola
April 24, 2009 2:59 PM
Filed Under: German, Nürburgring, Porsche

A new season of ‘Ring wars may be brewing. Porsche's Project Manager for High Performance Cars Andreas Preuninger says the latest 911 GT3 has achieved a time of 7 minutes 40 seconds around the Nurburgring's Nordschleife.

Porsche test driver Walter Rohrl, who was piloting the car, was apparently slowed down by the presence of other vehicles on the track. Had Rohrl really been going for it "with a knife between his teeth" said Preuninger, his time would have come down by as much as two seconds. Furthermore Rohrl apparently did a 7 minute 45 seconds in a borrowed Ferrari F430 Scuderia. The time was achieved under the same conditions as the GT3.

As for the Nissan GT-R, Preuninger noted that Porsche's official line is that the 7 minute 54 second time it achieved with a US-spec unit in 2008 stands. Nissan said in May 2008 that the GT-R did a 7 minute 29.03 seconds at the German track in the hands of its chief test driver Tochio Suzuki. The updated 2010 GT-R is claimed to have done an even quicker time of 7 minutes 27.56 seconds.

The third member of this feuding trio is the Corvette ZR1 which has a posted time of 7 minutes 26.4 seconds at the Green Hell. Preuninger's remarks on the ‘Vette were only to say it's a cool car but it serves a different purpose than the GT3.

The new updated GT3 was unveiled at the 2009 Geneva Motor Show. Its normally aspirated 3.8-litre boxer engine produces 435hp (320kW) and peak torque of 317 ft-lbs (430Nm).

Source: motortrend

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Comments

mc959

April 24, 2009 3:48 PM

here's the truth about a test between gtr and gt2, in damp conditions and the porsche with semi slick tyres:

http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/thetruth030/

this is for al the gtr lovers.

i never could believe the time of the gtr and here you have a test where it should be faster with 4wd and it just isn't.

Edited by user on April 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM

kimbo

April 24, 2009 4:34 PM

hello porsche lover. What about TG's track time? BS from Nissan people as well? :D

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 5:08 PM

you need good Playstation skills to drive a GT-R , skills that Walter Rohrl and The Stig lack.

LMS

April 24, 2009 6:06 PM

Thanks for the plug.

Looks like an interesting website.

James2911

April 24, 2009 4:04 PM

How come the manufacturers must always claim they could easily have gone faster? :P

thamzn

April 24, 2009 4:08 PM

Good question.

deliverinsanity

April 24, 2009 4:10 PM

Because they are all kids deep inside, how else would you justify making a GT3 (Or 911 altogether)? :) And yes, it's a good thing.

ght

April 24, 2009 4:38 PM

Porsche is so jealous,GTR is much faster and it has been proven on different tracks.

mc959

April 24, 2009 4:49 PM

Yeah right, all those tests where made with cars provided by nissan, now you have to prove me that it can be done with a normal GTR from anybody else... And don't use the launchcontrol too much or else it cost you +20.000USD....

mortz

April 25, 2009 1:53 AM

The gear replacement for the broken transmission is $1500 US. small price to pay after doing a few hundred launches.

ubercool

April 24, 2009 4:55 PM

911 still looks like a FROG!!!!!!!!!

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 5:05 PM

good , i love my frog !

brocky

April 25, 2009 12:46 PM

If that's the case, then that's one fast frog!

alessandro

April 25, 2009 9:05 PM

Yes it looks like a frog indeed and hence we despirately missing a beautiful rear drive car-pincess we should kiss every Porsche we can to give to the fortune a chance.

Edited by user on April 25, 2009 at 9:06 PM

122

April 24, 2009 5:16 PM

Personally i don't care about these lap times anymore. They've taken it a bit out of hand, just for bragging rights. Bottom line is both are fast, and one is cheaper than the other. I'd take the skyline because its cheaper. :)

joshg_5

April 25, 2009 2:21 AM

Prestige...

That's why most of the people who buy these cars buy these cars.

You don't think the majority of people who own GT3s, GTRs, and ZR1s actually track them do you...?

cornflakes99

April 24, 2009 5:23 PM

When McLaren finally launches the P11 it will wipe the floor with both these pretenders anyway, so Nissan & Porsche enjoy you time in the sun while it lasts!!

Beetle

April 24, 2009 5:51 PM

Is that the mclaren that had broken down at the side of the road?

kimbo

April 24, 2009 7:25 PM

didn't c-class broke down as well? that's the part of testing...

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 8:11 PM

that's what they said about the McLaren F1 and then the Dauer 962 and the Porsche GT1 wiped the floor with it.

lucifa

April 25, 2009 5:44 AM

Did they ever make a road-going version of that GT1?

scratchy996

April 25, 2009 5:13 PM

GT1 Strassenversion , homologation special road legal GT1. Dauer 962 LM , road version of the Porsche 962.

trspeed600

April 24, 2009 6:10 PM

This dispute will only be resolved when all contenders race at the same time. Porsche has invited Nissan to the challenge and they declined....why? Because their times will not hold under equal conditions. Porsche is hiding nothing, but Nissan cannot say the same.

catchmyshadow

April 24, 2009 6:15 PM

a GT-3 at 7.38-40 with the new facelift set up and just 435 BHP, imagine what an improved GT-2 will do. and as far as the reliabilty is concerned, all supercars whether it is a Koenigsegg, Zonda, Enzo are a mess after a serveral thousand miles. except for a carrera GT, SLR mc laren or a veyron. those are machines are built to last.

Edited by user on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

mc959

April 24, 2009 6:34 PM

love your comment

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 8:22 PM

i'm dissapointed they didn't use Direct Injection for this engine. imagine a GT2 with a 3.8l biturbo engine , Direct Injection and PDK... i'm drooling already.

catchmyshadow

April 24, 2009 10:38 PM

yeah, but u know this GT3-MKII (Facelift) still carries the famous GT1 racing block, the `mezger bullet proof` block. It is not that environmentally friendly like the DI-engines, but a hell of a race-engine. The PDK is another story, should be an option for the GT3, agree.

nederina

April 24, 2009 6:19 PM

the engine is still at the wrong place porsche! instead of wasting more money in the nurburgring chasing the datsun, just work on the mid-engined lightweight cayman with at least 450bhp will seal the deal. or just invite nissan to participate a friendly race.

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 8:16 PM

yeah , the engine is in the wrong place , that must be the reason why Porsche has more racing victories than anyone else...

mint

April 24, 2009 6:58 PM

I love porsche, but this is just too much. How many stories and excuses can you come up with? pathetic. skewing the results to sell cars.

cornflakes99

April 24, 2009 7:27 PM

@ Beetle McLaren broken down at the side of the road?.....Can you elaborate on this, not sure what you mean?

Edited by user on April 24, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Beetle

April 24, 2009 8:31 PM

It was just over all really , about how many mercedes cars when testing or under disguise have broken down recently.

An example:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090225.018/mercedes-slc-gullwing-spied-having-electrical-problems.

thamzn

April 24, 2009 8:10 PM

Seems the GT-R is the slower, more practical everyday choice. GT2 is for drivers who wish to spend lots of time on a track.

sufu

April 24, 2009 8:19 PM

there is NO WAY GT-R can do 7 minute 29.03 seconds or quicker! You have to understand how characteristic of Japanese first. They CAN'T ACCPET failure. Think about it. GT-R calimed to have 480 hp, and CGT has 100+ more hp. How could GT-R beat CGT? If it is a American muscle car then it may happen. Porsche? No way sir. Do the physics.

scratchy996

April 24, 2009 8:28 PM

they also claim that every GT-R engine is different and they all use personalized gearboxes for every engine. who knows what engine/gearbox/setup Nissan uses for their test runs. i wonder why no one can re-create their claimed times on the Ring using a stock GT-R.

harshreality

April 24, 2009 10:57 PM

And you CANT SPELL! So you are an expert on the Japanese? I dont know why you nits think that Porsche is above reproach. Do you think they would actually admit that their over priced cars are ever beaten during their own tests? I seem to recall an article a few years ago where Mr Rorhl stated that the Carrera GT was faster than an Enzo around the ring despite being heavier and have less power.. well that was proved WRONG when Black Falcon ran an Enzo, CGT, MC12, Zonda F, and a CCX in back to back days. The Enzo was about 3 seconds faster despite losing its shocks half way through the run and the MC12 was even faster.. so how do you explain that Porsche fans?

sufu

April 25, 2009 2:36 AM

dear harshreality,

yes I am a expert on Japanese. I have been studying Asian history since 7th grade. The only history class you had was probably American History which is only 200+ years. Asian history is 5,000 years+. So, do the math.

The best evidence we all have is: no one has been able to create the same lap time (or even closer time) on the ring with a stock GT-R. If they have done modifications on the car then that's called "CHEATING", and that also proves my theory of Japanese CANT ACCEPT FAILURES. Do the physics please. A car with 100+ more hp with absolutely better aerodynamic can not be beaten by a 480hp GT-R. I also suggest you to go back to school and study. Your Japanese car pride is not gonna help you to win this debate.

cornflakes99

April 24, 2009 9:59 PM

@ Beetle Sorry I don't mean to be a Pedantic prick, but McLaren hasn’t got anything to do with the new gullwing Merc it’s there AMG in-house project. Thanks for the reply though.

Beetle

April 24, 2009 10:38 PM

Thats why I said overall.

mortz

April 25, 2009 2:49 AM

SUFU, Are you sure about the aerodynamics the GT-R has a cd of 0.27 , what car beats that?? Also no human culture like to fail its humans in general! not just the Japanese!

mortz

April 24, 2009 10:37 PM

The GT-R just posted a 7,26.7 around the nurburgring with the base model with standard rims. I think Porsche is just bitter that its not only the nurburgring track the gt-r is faster around. Nissan still has the spec-v time to release yet which should be even harder for Porsche to believe

catchmyshadow

April 24, 2009 10:42 PM

as long as they don`t find a good and totally objective driver, who can push both cars* to their very limits in exactly the same conditions, this cannot be solved. (*100% stock set up, same wheels etc. and not prepared by both companies for the test).

Edited by user on April 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM

mortz

April 24, 2009 10:42 PM

@sufu. i think you should do your physics. the gt-r isn't just faster around the nurburgring there's many more track test that show the gt-r faster than the 997t, gt2 and gt3 and they are cheating too!!

nederina

April 24, 2009 10:47 PM

as much as i love the GTR, but i probably go for the GT3 or the Corvette with manual stick and rear wheel drive. these two cars will give me excitement, thrill and more driving involvement on the track.

harshreality

April 24, 2009 11:39 PM

yeah.. because youve apparently driven all 3 cars at their absolute limits...

Edited by user on April 25, 2009 at 1:35 AM

joshg_5

April 25, 2009 2:26 AM

I agree with the original comment. After reading, seeing and hearing numerous statements that the GT-R is far from a drivers car. "Any nit can drive it fast". A ZR1 of GT2/3 would be a much better driving experience. Period.

nederina

April 25, 2009 8:58 AM

hahaha i never got the chance to drive the corvette just yet. big naturally aspirated engine, six-speed manual, rear wheel drive - a cut price ferrari 599? more like a 550. it's a shame they don't have in right hand drive.

harshreality

April 25, 2009 10:45 AM

Oh wow.. the great joshg_5 has spoken! Driving "pleasure" and "involvement" is subjective PERIOD. What someone else considers an involving and pleasureable driving experience could be totally different from 5 other people.

joshg_5

April 25, 2009 11:43 PM

Actually something factual isn't subjective. A computer drives the GT-R.

btw, don't get so emotional, man...

Edited by user on April 26, 2009 at 12:38 AM

mortz

April 24, 2009 11:04 PM

The Mercedes SL AMG black series went around the ring in 7.36 with 670hp and weighed 1870hp even with its 670hp its still a very heavy car

mortz

April 26, 2009 12:14 AM

Joshg5. The computer does not drive the gt-r the steering wheel does get your facts right. people have stated it isn't just a matter of getting in a gt-r and driving it like a pro it still takes time to get use to how it drives, and how it attesa and new chassis works into and out of corners etc.

Scarcliff

April 25, 2009 12:32 AM

Its not how fast a car goes round the ring. It's the thrill you get from driving it. I think manufactures need to remember this instead of competing against each other!

Edited by user on April 25, 2009 at 12:32 AM

emo

April 25, 2009 1:11 AM

scarcliff has pointed out the what these cars are about. If you want a car to cover up your lack of driver talent buy the GTR, If you want to improve as a driver get the Porsche as it will punish bad driving.

engel.ac

April 25, 2009 1:13 AM

Still waiting for the Stig to settle this.

dbehmoaras

April 25, 2009 2:12 AM

Here is what should happen. The Stig will take the following cars to the Nurburgring on one day: Corvette ZR1, Porsche 911 GT2, Ferrari Enzo, Nissan GTR, Porsche Carrera GT, Pagani Zonda F CS, Maserati MC12, Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR (which is currently the leader of road cars at 7:22.1 unless your count the Radical SR8 as a road car), and any other car you think fits into this race. The Stig will run the Nordschleife with each one all on the same day. Each car will be completely stock, and the fastest time wins. That's it.

On a side note, the Nissan GTR time keeps changing because each car has a different rated bhp, ranging from 470-505 to my knowledge. The GTR that is used should be rated at 487.5bhp, for obvious reasons.

scratchy996

April 25, 2009 2:28 AM

Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR is not the leader of the roadcars , it's the leader of the production cars(if you consider a tuned Viper a production car). there are a lot of cars that are faster than the ACR , but those are tuned versions of road cars , like the 2005 Edo GT2 which did the Ring in 7:15. wikipedia does not have the complete list of all cars that did the track.

scratchy996

April 25, 2009 2:31 AM

why not put the Ascari A10 , Gumpert Apollo , Ruf CTR-3, and Caparo T1 to that list ?

Edited by user on April 25, 2009 at 12:15 PM

lucifa

April 25, 2009 5:55 AM

I think the leader of what you could call normal cars is still the Loaded M3 CSL -- which broke 7.20 with the boost turned up...

nederina

April 25, 2009 9:03 AM

since you mention the specific GTR tested in nurburgring has got 487.5 is probably specially tuned for the circuit where the standard GTR specifications the customers drives won't be able to put up those hot laps. Even Porsche couldn't do it with a stock GTR. Could Nissan people playing it dirty?

dbehmoaras

April 26, 2009 1:24 AM

@scratchy996: Yeah, I meant production cars, my bad. The ACR is an option that can be added to the Viper on the Dodge website as of 2008. When customizing, select the SRT-10 B package, that's the ACR, kind of like the M3 and the CSL. The Edo GT2 is from a third party tuner, not directly from Porsche, so that doesn't fit. The ACR is offered directly from Dodge. There were some cars that I forgot to add to the list, but the Caparo T1 wouldn't fit here either. I omitted it for the same reason that I omitted the Radical SR8. As for the Ruf CTR-3, it's tuned by third party source, highlighting what Ruf can do, not necessarily what Porsche can do.

@lucifa: The Loaded M3 CSL is third party tuned, not by BMW.

@nederina: The number that I put up there was not actual. I'm saying they should find one that has 487.5bhp. This number seemed the most logical to me because of the range of bhp running through the GTR's, as it lies directly in the middle of the range I suggested. I don't think the Nissan people are playing it dirty, I think that the discrepancy in the numbers is purely consequential of the discrepancy in bhp, among other figures. The 7:29 posted by Nissan was different from what Porsche achieved because Porsche probably had a lower bhp model and Nissan a higher bhp model.

scratchy996

April 26, 2009 11:19 AM

@ dbehmoaras, Ruf is a car manufacturer , not tuner, look it up.

Ruf Automobile GmbH is a German automobile manufacturer. Rufs are built from unmarked Porsche bodies and chassis. When a chassis arrives, Ruf builds their own independent work into the car. Because Ruf installs many of their own-made parts, the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government.

also , why not inlude the Caparo, the Radical, the Donkervoort ? those are perfectly street legal production cars.

mortz

April 26, 2009 1:39 AM

Here's another little clue as to how Porsche test their cars as it stated in the article Walter Rohrl tested the F430 scud and only got a lap time of 7.45 but Horst Von saurma managed a 7.39 that's a whole 6 seconds difference. maybe Walter Rohrl isn't pushing the competition cars as hard as he should?

justbored

April 27, 2009 12:38 AM

Or maybe there was just a different track condition... Who knows ?

radmeister

April 26, 2009 8:00 AM

We shall settle this on GT5. I read that article posted above and it makes sense, the GT-R can carry the speed through the turns because of its AWD, the GT2 beats it in the 100-200km dash(figures show this too). The GT-R is a fabulous car, but something is not adding up when it comes to their lap time. I mean we aren't talking about 2-5 second difference we are talking about almost 20sec. And if you do ur research you will see that in the amateur racing circuits in the US on some races the GT-R is faster than the GT2, some the GT2 is faster. Which also depends on the driver. I honestly think that the GT2 is at least 5 seconds faster on the ring than the GT-R, has better brakes and has a faster 100-200km/hr time which lets it make up some time on such a long track. On a short track the GT-R will win every time though, the porsche just doesn't have the time to make up the time lost in the turns. Also in a 24hr race the Porsche will walk out still alive, the GT-R will be carried out on a flatbed, brakes and tranny cant handle heat and constant stress. Also who said a gear change on the GT-R is 1500$? They won't repair your transmission, it gets inspected by a special engineer from japan that you have to wait at least 2 weeks for, if its broken they switch it out and give you a new unit as yours is tested in Japan. They don't repair these things. Just like the CVT, my friend's went on his altima, it was a 8500$ job, they dont repair them they just switch them out with a new one. So yeah for the GT-R its 24k + labour.

mortz

April 26, 2009 9:43 AM

That would be a good way to solve arguments lol. Ive seen different track results and at times the gt2 has faster laps but overall the gtr does well. It does seem unrealistic to some people but what about now with the new record at 07.26.07 that's with the 2010 euro spec with the base model wheels and this time people from porsche were there and not to mention all the media, Why would nissan bother if they were already being accused of cheating and then go out the year after and smash the old record, why! its because they know something about the gt-r that we don't and that's how to use its full potential the dynamic attesa all wheel drive system with the weight split engine front-mid and trans mid-rear and close ratio gearing (there's nothing like it). But keep in mind Toshio Suzuki is a very committed driver and has had a lot of time driving the gt-r on the nurburbring, maybe a race driver that's use to front engined rear wheel drive or a rear engined rear wheel drive or mid engined rear wheel drive might take a little time adjusting to the balance and how the attesa all wheel drive system powers the required front wheel while carrying the gt-rs weight around and out of corners? I'm sure a decent driver will get out on the ring and post a impressive time close to suzukis, its just a mater of time. Check out gtrblog.com for the article about the $1500 gear replacement,

Gumball

April 26, 2009 11:38 AM

I have been in both the Gt3 and the Gtr. I can tell you, they both are fast, but they are not intended for the same purpose. The Gtr is massively fast, very powerful, very solid and stable and is a little faster than the porche trubo. But! the Gt3 is not as powerful nor as quick, although, what it lacks in power it capitalises on sheer raw and feeling, it is an extremely fun car, very very scary.