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first thought for the SAAB guys... CHANGE THE DESIGN LANGUAGE, fundamentaly... exterior and interior, cause it looks the same for I don't remember how many years (with some small evolutions)... how can they hope to reach the break even point with their current line of models or their new ones that are almost similar in design with the present ones???
April 6, 2009 4:15 pm
I couldn't agree less. SAABs are bought because of the design language. What has been holding them back is lack of investment and having to re-use shoddy GM underpinnings when Volva, Audi, BMW and the rest have received heavy investment. Even SAAB lovers struggle to justify a purchase of a rebodied Vectra.
April 6, 2009 4:56 pm
Amen to that Bristol, ive owned 4 Saabs. The time came when i needed a new car, the 9-3 Black Turbo-X looked in magazines amazing so i went to the dealer to investigate. From the outside the car looked amazing, the styling was spot on. Then i went inside and i started touching around, grabbed onto the cluster overhanging dash part and started shaking to see if it would budge(rock solid in my audi) and yeah it moved around, then i turned on the stereo which the buttons felt like crap, turned it up to max and stuff started rattling. The vent controls were this cheap plastic covered in rubber, the rubber seemed to be coming off or not glued on straight..I left the car dissapointed and thinking that my older 9-5 Aero was better, and that my 1991 9000 Aero was still king. Then i saw the price tag of 56k and walked even faster away. There was a Saturn Astra beside it, looked kind of interesting so i sat inside of it, and other than the lack of leather and a different interface for the radio everything was the same, same quality and the vent controls were the EXACT same. So i started to ask myself why would i pay 2.5x the price for the saab? Hell why would i pay the same price for that saab as a 2005 Audi A8 W12? GM watered Saab down so much that other than its outside styling and the engine everything was a typical GM for a SAAB price.
April 6, 2009 6:02 pm
good point joe... and good point bristol... Porsche had the best sales ever, but SAAB didn't! Why? Why don't they try to follow other brands like BMW which kept their fundamental design features but they evolved and included all these elements in new cars keeping their strong identity intact... and you might say that SAAB did the same (considering the design) and look at the results. And BTW using parts from other manufacturers is now a cost cutting priority for all car producers... everybody is doing it now... Volvo using Ford parts, Jaguar using Ford parts, Rolls using BMW parts, Opel using Fiat parts, etc, etc... but still sales are down for SAAB so that means that there is something wrong with them...
April 6, 2009 6:33 pm
GM, sell it to an Indian company. Look what they did with the Jaguar. Jaguar is now looking positive, new products are getting approved, and that may be a way for SAAB to enter the Asian markets, India, China etc.
April 6, 2009 7:20 pm
Exactly Radmeister. My last SAAB, a 1995 900S, was a total piece of junk. I remember sitting in the passenger seat one day, while my spouse was running into a store real quick...I was pushing around on the HVAC controls, the radio, dash, etc.., and everything just moved a little and shifted. I was shocked. Later when I sat in our MBZ E420, nothing moved, and everything was SO tight, thick and solid. When I look at 2008/2009 SAABS, honestly, it looks the SAME as my 1995 interior. Holding on to heritage is one thing, staying in the past with crappy materials in another!
April 6, 2009 8:20 pm
Yep, my mom has a 94 900s and i hate driving it, every time i get into it it breaks my heart to see what GM did to SAAB. But my biggest complaint with the 9-5 Aero was the engine and transmission mounts, they were too soft for performance driving, the engine would jerk too much durring heavy acceleration and then i couldnt shift until it returned to its spot(well i could but there would be some synchro grinding) It took some performance engine mounts and transmission mounts to fix that problem, grand total of 150$ and about 4hrs of work. Which makes me think why couldn't they do that from the start. Then i finally got my engine up to around 320whp everything was great..And one week later my Throttle Airflow sensor died on me, needed a whole new module thanks to GM 1200$...When i saw they used the same part on a GM i decided to sell the car, couldn't trust it anymore. Still the best saab you can get is a 91-94 9000 Aero hatch. Only thing that i had to change was the DI cassette but it was running on the original and 150k, my 9-5 went through 2 in 60k....
April 7, 2009 9:46 am
i hope that SAAB get through it becuase i think that they made good cars, abit dated cars but nice ones
April 7, 2009 8:08 am
I think SAAB Aerospace should stay with the Swedish govt obviously, and i think VW group should buy SAAB, they already have Scania. The VW parts bin is also much better than the GM one.
April 7, 2009 9:36 am








