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agree AMG and aston will make a good team in making engines, imagine a AM DBS with the sl65 black engine or a vantage with the slr V8 engine

BMW is a much better fit for Aston than Mercedes because the principles behind the two are similar: merc is about pumping horsepower and torque into an engine, bmw is about finesse, traditionalism, quality, luxury and superior drivability, much like aston; aston would go out of business before it gets bought out by merc;

swifthead... ever heard of the mclaren F1? had a bmw engine - a 6.1L V12 roughly derived from two E36 M3 engines. and it had roundabout 680hp. a decade ago. and they made a car that held the title of world's fastest production car for.. 7 years? and fastest 0-62 for even longer. bmw can make perfectly fine engines. as for the finesse.. i think dbehmoaras might have been talking about driving finesse, not construction finesse. bmws drive with a.. for lack of a synonym, finesse that mercedes just can't match, and mercedes have a capability for luxury that bmw just can't match. if you want a comfortable, relaxing car, buy a merc. if you want a car that's just plain fun to drive, buy a bmw. it's that simple. i think bmw would be a better match for aston - a high-revving V10 like the one from the outgoing M5/M6 seems to suit - simple and easy to handle (if you skip the SMG box) at low revs, but put the boot in and at the high revs you get a proper kick. i've an.. unusual thought. what would happen if mercedes and bmw worked together on the next aston? if they pulled it off, you'd have the comfort and luxury of the oldest brand in the business, with the sheer excitement and driving pleasure of a high-revving, lightweight bmw. coupled with the aston badge and their gorgeous styling, you'd have one hell of a good car.. possibly the, dare i say it, perfect car, price notwithstanding

mate, settle. i was merely pointing out that bmw is capable of making engines with properly large amounts of power. the other advantage of bmw-build engines is that they're lightweight. the M5/M6 V10 - it was lighter than the smaller V8 out of the E39 M5, and that was not a heavy engine in the first place. same goes for the V8 in the e90 M3 - it's lighter than the old 3.2 inline 6. and the same was for that old V12 - aluminium, carbon fibre and magnesium components made it incredibly light. that's why they suit aston so well - a light little engine makes a big difference in a heavy car. and before you go reminding us all of just how much power can be forced out of an engine, remember, the most powerful engine ever built by mercedes benz/amg was, i believe, the V12 in the sl65 black? 680 hp in a 6.0L biturbo V12 -- bmw/mclaren managed that a decade ago, without the turbos, in a road-legal, non-aftermarket car. the clk-gtr-amg, with only MB and AMG working on it, managed 630hp. i believe it was... illinor? that brought 700+hp out of that engine. if we are going to talk about aftermarket engines, i've seen supras with over 2000bhp at the wheels on dynos. they're what, half the size of mercedes behemoth V12s? if you want aftermarket tuning power, go japanese, not german. back to the actual debate about mercedes vs bmw as future astons, a heavy AMG engine in a big aston effectively gives you a bentley GT - a big, heavy engine in a big, heavy coupe. a light engine, however, would lighten the car considerably, making astons a properly nice drive through twists and bends instead of straight line speed. while this may not be as economically advantageous as a mercedes partnership, it would create what are arguably better cars. as for astons in the future being heavy, i would say that in the future they would be lighter. cars from all automakers are getting lighter as technology improves, so i can only see aston's cars getting lighter and lighter too, furthering the push for lightweight engines, not enormous torque. and merc don't have especially superb gearboxes in their road cars - they have one which is capable of handling the enormous power of that biturbo V12, which is one more than bmw certainly, but it's an automatic -- they'd definitely need to develop a manual box capable of handling the power before they put it in an aston. and as for bmw not having anything to offer, nothing's stopping them from building a new engine. they did it for mclaren, and look where it got them - what is acknowledged as one of the greatest cars ever to be built. again, not as profitable as a merc agreement, but again, it would probably produce a better car, hypothetically. oh and i'm sure that M5/M6 engine would do a better job than the ford V12 - 5% less power and probably at least 30% less weight, if not more. and please, calm down -- i don't like being shouted at during a reasonable debate, which 8 exclamation marks kind of implies..

u are just completely wrong when you say that bmw has bad transmissions