Morgan Stanley downgrades Porsche and Fiat, upgrades Renault

Firm also believes industry will lose 72 bn euros over two years

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Penner

Never trust a bankster!

December 11, 2008 4:57 pm

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alessandro

Yeah, ecpecially not these cashiers who are able to keep some touch to reality when they see a Porsche.

December 11, 2008 6:08 pm

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ck314

these static theory mongers probably believe a big portion of porsche's market (cayenne and upcoming compact cayenne) is going down the flush, but practice will prove them wrong as long as the new cayenne comes in time.. panamera might be look a bit suspicious under the current economic context but i'm sure it will be a success despite it all, while 911 and cayman are inborn winners

December 11, 2008 6:23 pm

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Motor_Yakuza

Porsche-needs a new design language Fiat-are those things cars?? Renault- Nissan is puling it up

December 11, 2008 6:39 pm

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ck314

The day Porsche gives up its 911 identity, it's gonna be their death sentence.

December 11, 2008 6:53 pm

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Motor_Yakuza

Nope, a revolution is better then evolution, sometimes.

December 11, 2008 7:03 pm

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ck314

sure, like ferrari, with no cohesion in design model after model, or simply like toyotas.. the genius thing about the 911 shape is that being timeless it could evolve endlessly without losing its dna, and that's like a royal title, many envy it but only a very few inherit it

December 11, 2008 10:53 pm

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Motor_Yakuza

What's wrong with the Ferrari's design, or the Toyota's, umm yeah, I admit that actual design of Toyota is not on my taste to much right now, but at least they try to give something new to the people.Imagine if u had to eat the same food everyday of your life, u will get sick of it, that's Porsche.

December 11, 2008 11:18 pm

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ck314

lol You obviously don't get the point: to a 911 fan like myself, it's not having the "same" food every day, but the food itself. And I'm not saying all Toyota's and Ferrari's are ugly, they just don't keep a brand design identity over time. On the other hand, Audi may do the opposite, where different models look perhaps too alike, especially the interior design, and that's probably what you mean. But Porsche is about iconic identity, not just some random theme applied over and over again.

December 12, 2008 2:32 pm

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