More European automakers looking for government bailout

 More European automakers looking for government bailout
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European automakers looking for help from the EU, Jaguar asking for 1 billion pounds from UK government

It is not just Detroit automakers, who last week pleaded for a 25 billion bailout from the US government, who are asking for cash.

ACEA, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, has asked the EU for a 40 billion euro loan to invest in the development of greener cars. European automakers have requested the loans come from a proposed 130 billion euro stimulus package the EU Commission is putting together to spur economic growth in Europe.

The automakers say they need the money to invest in technologies that will allow them to meet future EU CO2 emissions standards. According to EU rules, automakers will have to reduce their average CO2 fleet emissions from 158g/km today to 130 grams per kilometer by 2012.

But the EU commission itself is divided on whether to help automakers. Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen favors aid for the automotive industry while Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes has voiced concerns that the subsidies might violate competition rules of EU.

Also, Jaguar is currently in talks with the UK government for a 1 billion pound bailout package for the troubled British premium brand.

European automakers are not in the dire financial situation that Ford and GM are in the US. In fact, Ford of Europe is profitable and is projected to remain in the black even in 2009, which is expected to be a bad year for car sales in Europe.

But European automakers are experiencing a substantial contraction in sales and revenues that will hamper their ability to invest in future products right at a time when the market is demanding more fuel efficient vehicles. And when governments are rushing to be seen doing something about the global economic crisis, it's a good time to come tin cup in hand.

 

Source: Reuters via Reuters

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 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
oh snap! maybe they should stop making shitty cars. yada yada yada... *sarcasm*
November 24, 2008 7:44 pm
 nendor nendor
WoW Mercedes is on of them that is very weird
November 24, 2008 8:00 pm
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
Not really... benz sales in my part of the world have dropped 80%
November 24, 2008 8:53 pm
 BabyMilo BabyMilo
yeahh and volkswagen
November 25, 2008 2:45 am
 Panamera Panamera
I remember people here going on about "bla bla GM makes shitty cars, if only they were like europeans" well now we see you were wrong . everyone is screwing up. its not just GM. GM is brilliant
November 24, 2008 8:45 pm
 bernardo bernardo
I would have argued with that, but judging by your name, it wont be nessessary.
November 24, 2008 9:55 pm
 Panamera Panamera
you are trying to throw something at the porsche panamera? you cant argue at all it is anything but the best. the only difference between me and you is probably that i know something about cars and makers. and i have owned alot of different brands. so i know who is good and bad. and trust me GM is nowhere as bad as the french yet
November 25, 2008 1:22 am
 BabyMilo BabyMilo
panamera, have you actually stopped and looked at the car??
November 25, 2008 5:11 am
 Panamera Panamera
yeah, its perfection at its best. but you're probabily american so probabily wouldnt fit inside and that has kinda offended you.
November 25, 2008 6:24 am
 BabyMilo BabyMilo
dude, youve just bagged out a whole nation that im not even a part of, im actually Swedsih
November 25, 2008 9:08 am
 effington effington
wow... the ignorance is astronomical! and im not even american! and the panamera... another wow... "perfection at its best"? if we're in the mood for slinging sh*t at the americans ide say that it was designed looking at the northern end of a southbound local... but seriously... "perfection"? im just going to go ahead and assume u havent seen the aston rapaide... that about right?
November 25, 2008 11:02 am
 Panamera Panamera
the aston? haha now thats a good one. the Db9 and DBs are great cars, the One77 is bullcrap. and rapid follows in its footsepts.
November 25, 2008 6:22 pm
 effington effington
it is interesting how you state that two aston martins that are currently for sale are "great cars" for this is proven, yet when it comes to models that have not even had the chance to see the likes of top gear yet are "bullcrap"! is it easier to bag a car that has not even been released yet panamera? cause ide say so... having not driven a panamera im basing my opinions purely on its looks, which are far from "perfection", which is where your argument appears to be flawed... if we are basing opinions on looks, which we have to be considering the cars in question are yet to be released; panamera + rapaide, it seems that you almost contradict yourself... you say that the dbs and db9 are great cars, which implies you find them decent to look at... now you'd have to be a blind rat on this website to not hear of astons 'looking too similar', (which in marketing terms is purely 'brand image') this argument has come up the most on feeds dealing with the aston rapide, i swear every second person states that it looks too much like the db9. now you've just told me that you like the db9 but the rapaide, which u have yet to see proper driving footage, pricing and official specs, is bullcrap... hmm im confused... please help me panamera
November 27, 2008 11:54 am
 Kiing Kiing
They are not screwing up, they are asking for a loan to help them develop their cars for 2012.
November 24, 2008 8:50 pm
 radmeister radmeister
I don't hear anywhere on there the mention of possible bankruptcy and losing 7billion $/quarter. They probably just figure the interest rate they will get from the govt is lower than the interest they are gaining from keeping their own reserves in the bank. It's only fair, if the competition is to get a loan y should everyone, if they need it or not. That's how a fair economy works, nobody gets an unfair advantage from the government.
November 24, 2008 9:00 pm
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
Probably not, if you are following any of these companies values, they are all diving hardcore. The government loans are there because the banks view the companies as to risky. Govt loans also charge way more then banks as far as interest rates go.
November 24, 2008 9:05 pm
 9TNine 9TNine
Strange...! Ford of Europe is profitable and still asking for money...?? Can I have some too??
November 24, 2008 9:10 pm
 RussianMafia RussianMafia
If you read the article and rubbed your brain cells, you would understand that they aren't knee deep in the s**t that GM is. And they need the money just to make their cars better.
November 24, 2008 10:09 pm
 nendor nendor
i don't think benz need it because they sell a lot of cars and mostly trucks for most of the countries and in term of military they sell to so many countries as well, so i doubt they need that money
November 25, 2008 1:26 am
 The_woo_factor The_woo_factor
I want money too...Can i have a bail out? Seems like the trend these days...GIMME GIMME GIMME!
November 25, 2008 4:21 am
 Michael Michael
Good article, wrong title. European automakers are asking loans for different reasons. Not for surviving during the year 2009, as in the case of American manufacturers. They are asking those loans for meeting the deadline required by the EU for greener cars. That does not mean they are not facing problems too. The UE requirements are not easy to comply with and because of the economic crisis it is likely that the European manufacturers would not comply with the deadline imposed by the EU. Therefore, EU is asked to come with an "incentive". EU will agree upon such loans, provided that they comply with its competition rules.
November 25, 2008 5:13 am
 wisp wisp
I thought the government of Germany was once majority shareholder of VW,and that VW has seen their market share grow substantilly in the last financial year compared to Mercedes and BMW and now this! what's really going on? Cars are stupidly overpriced anyway and what's with Tata not bailing out Jag, why go to the UK government and not the Indian Gov as real foriegn Investors would do. Man is ee us ridding scooters pretty soon and we will be debating on who makes the greatest scooter, Merc, Toyota, Honda, BMW or Audi with their scooters with LED lights.
November 25, 2008 5:21 am
That picture doesn't necessarily represent the car manufacturers involved. There are other car manufacturers who are in more trouble than VW, Renault, peugeot, Fiat, Opel/Vauxhall and Mercedes.
November 25, 2008 3:37 pm
 jouets-citroen jouets-citroen
That image does not necessarily represent the car manufacturers who are involved!!!
November 25, 2008 3:39 pm
 SA_Car_Fan SA_Car_Fan
Precisely.Anyone bothered to read the caption to the pic?It's just a collage of logos guys
November 25, 2008 7:13 pm
 bartchip bartchip
Not knowing the nationality of most you bloggers, and being late on this too boot. I throw in my two cents. As an American (USA), I grew up living and breathing GM autos. Most of my family is/was employed by GM. As I acquired the ability to purchase the latest models produced by the same. I quickly became disenfranchised by GM’s lack of quality, and prices. In 1998 I purchased my first Mercedes Benz. Then in 2002, I bought my first VW. Since that time I haven’t looked back. I would not swear by VW quality/reliability coming out of Mexico. But my German built Passat is the best car I’ve ever owned. I just Wish my Torauge got better mileage, and would stop eating front tires.
December 2, 2008 5:08 pm