Fisker Karma hybrid to source engine from GM

Have you not noticed the styling, innovation and tech? Those are definitely NOT Saturn or Pontiac. Plus Fisker cut his teeth designing Astons, so not a bad reputation either.

This is no Saab engine here kid. This is an Ecotec, (and the best yet). Saab's version of the Ecotec makes 210HP. This engine, with its DI, VVT on intake & exhaust, and dual scroll turbo puts out a substantial 260HP and 260tq from 2500-4500 RPM. That even beats VWs 2.0 TFSI. And electronics are Bosch MED9. F that AC-Delco stuff.

Wow your just dumb. Enough said. What an ignorant rant.

So I guess if they got their engines from Toyota instead you would be saying the same thing. Yeah i don't think so. Radmeister you always post the most ridiculous crap. I can't be the only one to notice this.

i strongly agree with the ignorant rat bit. you are unbelievably stupid.

Simple, cost. These vehicles cost nearly double what the "average" market is willing to pay. Whether people like to hear it or not technology is expensive and it cost a premium to get the latest things. For all those bashing about there being a GM motor you have obviously not seen or used one of them. This is the problem the American companies face....ignorant Americans who get sucked into some tv or media's ideas instead of making a decision for themselves.

Yea exactly. They biggest problem they will face after all of this is changing people perspectives.

All they are doing is supplying engines for another manufacturer. New and fresh? Toyota is the most boring automobile maker in the world. Nothing they have is exciting. I think you have some seriously flawed logic as for as business is concerned.

GM isn't a niche player. They have too much overhead to divert the resources required to risk being first at this. Notice how the Volt is accomplishing the same technical goals, but on a much broader scale. GM doesn't need to be the first manufacturer of an electric luxury sedan, thats a very small market. They need to be first for mass production of an electric economy sedan. Thats just business 201 Radmeister.

Oh, and Toyota supplies engines for Lotus. Does that make them desperate for money? No, its just business!

You my friend represent the stereo type that gives American cars there bad name. Well lets see, how bout the Cts and the CTS-v for starters. You can say it goes against Lexus or Lexus F but frankly you don't know how to drive a car if you get one of those (I mean you can't get one in a damn manual). Chevy malibu is pretty high up there and frankly would choose it over the boring camry anyday. Toyota isn't great, in fact they're boring. They make quality stuff (don't get me wrong) but so does GM if people would just get there head out of what every else has told them actually go drive these cars they might be surprised

I would get the VW Passat over the malibu or camry. I will let you guys in on a secret on GM and Ford tactics, ALWAYS buy a car when it first comes out. Once the first batch is run what they do is start cheaping out on materials and components. If you buy a CTS-V built in the first half of its production year it will be much better than one built afterwards. And this is coming from some fairly high ex managers that work with me now. GM is a rip, the CTS looks great, performs great, but honestly it's nothing WOW to drag anyone away from a BMW 5 Series or Audi A6. As great as the car can be it's not worth the $, and i see 10x more 5 series BMW than CTS's. GM is dead by their own blade.

Everyone knows the Passat is best in class because of its Teutonic engineering. Everyone also knows its priced like its the best in class too. "Once the first batch is run"? How does Radmeister define the first batch? Is that the first production year? The first production run? The pre-production tolerance checks? WTF man? HEY, you can't really (cost effectively) change many components or materials once suppliers are locked in for production. You'd have to re-tool production facilities, re-teach production techniques, re-certify all number of things... WHAT ARE YOU RAMBLING-ON ABOUT Radmeister?

Radmeister is what we sane people call a moron.