Audi S4 Sedan & Avant in Depth: Page 2

BabyMilo

October 23, 2008 10:47 AM

look i think that this is a great car, no dout about that but its just everytime i look at it it gets more and more boring

The_woo_factor

October 23, 2008 11:23 AM

Are they bringing in the RS4? Please say YES!

GPKH

October 24, 2008 11:53 PM

Nothing special about the RS4, why do you want one anyway? Firstly it's a 4x4 not a sports car like an M3. If you know and truely love sports cars, you'd take the M3. Besides, it's not coming to US. The RS4 handles poorly, nose heavy. The reason they the won't bring to US is because they know Americans won't like a so called sports car to handle like a mini taxi. It will worsen their VW image in US even more. It's just no competition for the BMW. On top of that, the reliability of these RS and S cars from Audi are so bad that they will lose so much money to offer a warranty package that's the same as BMW. If you look at other countries, Audi warranty and motorplan is mostly significantly shorter than BMW's, even twice as short in some. Showing the underlying lack of quality and reliability from VW's underpinnings. so to sum up, you do not have that choice because it is an inferior one.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 1:45 PM

Ofcourse, thats why the RS4 achieved World Performance Car of the Year and BMW has not ever with any car. And yes, they will bring out the B8 RS4, once again it will outdo the M3 (E92) as the previous RS4 (B7) outdid the E63. BMW is really on the way down, especially in comparison to Audi, its pretty funny, and its shown in GPKH's gasping attempts to pull up the brands pants.

GPKH

October 25, 2008 10:08 PM

What a joke, the previous RS4 did not beat BMW's E46 M3 at all. If your version of a true sports car is a 4x4 that's obviously got an advantage when putting from 0, then maybe you should go drive a Toyota Pickup. audi failed miserably in terms of handling, dynamics, braking and reliability. Go check out the warranty claims from their books and you'll see (oops forgot you do not have insider info). In fact let me tell you a secrete: the reason they are delaying the launch of the RS4 is because the underpinning of the A4 and A5 that's used to build the RS4 is proving to be unsuitable due to the higher levels of strain. This coming RS4 is going to cost Audi and VW huge amounts because they are trying to come up with a better solution. They might consider using the old RS6 and do some modification to teh chassis. But nothing is final yet and maybe (they are hoping) that it will drive as nicely as the M3. But I dounbt it, a car that's nose heavy, inerfior quality from VW, poor reliability 4x4 wanting to be a pure sports car like the M3. It's like a dog wanting to be a lion.

xenomorph

October 26, 2008 6:12 AM

Oh that’s priceless, you see for a fact that the RS4 is indeed better than the M3 in every way, World Performance Car of the Year etc etc and again you have to pull up BMWs falling pants, its quite amusing. And, the real reason that the B8 RS4 isn't coming out yet is that the RS philosophy is to only build one RS model at a time. The RS6 is just out now, in a year or two the RS5 will emerge, and then it will be time for the RS4. Your imaginary platform garbage is just ridiculous. The MLP was built from the ground up with performance capabilities in mind from the beginning. If they could turn the B7 platform into an M3 beater, then really, just imagine how much better the B8 RS5 and RS4 will be. I understand how it must feel, that BMW has had its “performance” crown so to speak robbed by Audi, it’s a frustrating thing and fortunately no matter what you say can bring BMW back on par. If it makes you feel better though then that’s important. We all have different ways of grieving and dealing with loss.

lelu

November 5, 2008 10:15 PM

First, if you want a sports car, you don't buy any of those but you drive a Caterham.

wisp

October 23, 2008 1:02 PM

I agree with BabyMilo on this, the car looks good but it's a case of one good design used on so many models. This tends to take the 'shine' of an otherwise good design - it ages far quicker than normal - take the recently replaced A4 (it looks dated already).

lucifa

October 23, 2008 2:36 PM

agreed, they do age very quickly, but i think that has to do with the fact that they're man-of-the-moment sort of look (seriously, i don't think the r8 will age well, especially if they come out with a new one). also, the a4,6&8 look too similar - they're getting better with the newer models, but still, i like bmw's approach of very distinctly different models

metatron

October 23, 2008 7:42 PM

I would have to disagree- I have seen many older quattro coupes and a4's .I tend to feel the more smoother bodies age better than the more square based retro look. But that's why people have opions because everyones taste's vary widely. The 09 a4 I feel solidifies the a4 movement and will hold it's age much better in the next decade more than a Japanese or american car design because they tend to overstyle !.

Peamousse

October 23, 2008 8:21 PM

it really looks like a classic A4 with the S-line bodykit. Nothing exceptionnal

kevoluetion

October 24, 2008 4:27 AM

Once u're behind the wheel im sure u will think otherwise

michelin901

October 25, 2008 3:20 PM

oh yeah i see the relation of bein behind a wheel and the exterior design,,, smart

GPKH

October 24, 2008 12:37 PM

This is one ugly and boring VW. Those stpid LED lights at the front are getting rediculous. Not to mention that this was "suppose to be" performance car but the handling is just like any other VW Passat. That V6 engine is underpowered and rather fuel thursty compared to BMW's one. So what's the point, why launch something that's worse than BMW? and still charge the same price? Not like Audi's brand image is better than BMW. We all know it's just a VW. Put some new bumpers and silver coated mirror covers and want to say it's like BMW' M....please we are not fools, at least those who know cars. Poor reliability, poor performance, poor handling, same price as a BMW that's superiorto this. Sorry VW, better luck next time

xenomorph

October 24, 2008 1:28 PM

Awww must feel bad to know that BMWs are being outdone by "VW". Shame on BMW for being beaten by such cars, they are worse than them in every way and yet they are still being bought in increased numbers (why is that?). If only we were all as knowledgeable as you. PS, the 3.OTFSI is more powerful and more fuel efficient than the 335is engine but its still nowhere near as good obviously, after all, you would be the one to know that with your experience in driving these cars. Its good to know that the S4 won't be as good as the 335i as well, you must be the first to have driven it.

xenomorph

October 24, 2008 2:07 PM

PS, the World Car of the Year Judges must be being bribed by Audi each year, why else would they achieve World Performance Car of the Year consecutively for two years in a row and BMW not ever achieve this? As well as World Design Car of the Year twice in a row, and World Car of the Year? All these people need to be taught a lesson by GPKH, he's the one to know whats right about these issues.

GPKH

October 24, 2008 7:10 PM

Stop lying about the WCOTY figures. BMW has won more World Car of the year than Vw's Audi. Both current and previous generation BMW 3 Series won the world car of the year. Audi's A4 has never achieved this level of glory before because it takes a real champion to do so, not just stupid little mirror caps and bumpers. Besides don't just look at power, look at the torque, look at the revs and efficiency. BMW's 335i and 135i's engine is the Internation Engine of the Year and I can asure you that this little eigine from Audi (VW) is not going to win it either becasue it is not a great piece of engineering. By the way, Audi only won the eprformance car of the year once. that's it. BMW won design of the year award with the 3 Series, design award with the Z4, previous 5 Series, Z3 Z8. No Audi except the R8 has been close to BMW's fame. that shows you what real people think of audi design - boring, ugly, overdone, fake. Also, the R8 engine is rubbish, it does not suit the car that Audi is trying to bring across to customers, putting an A4 derivative engine in an R8 and charge almost 5 times as much. Moreover, if you look t International Engine of the year, Audi has failed to get into the Top 5 of anything. Shame. And if you looked at the yellow picture on the newsletter mail, you'll see just how ugly the A4/A5 range is from the front. do they want to make people vomit or something.

Audinator

October 25, 2008 2:17 AM

Again with your spupid usless comments you !diot!!!! Why dont you just stop and go to hell instead of entering an Audi fan place!!!

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 1:29 PM

Ok, well in your imagination BMW may have won all those world car of the year awards, but in reality they only ever won world car of the year once with the 3 series. Audi has achieved this with the A6, the RS4 and R8 recieved World Performance COTY awards and the TT and R8 recieved World Design COTY awards. Of course though the BMWs are still far better even though they have faild to achieve any of these things. Pretty bad that they are being so badly outdone by even just a "VW". And even though the S4 is superior to the 335i in every way its still nowhere near as good is it? Its always amusing to be taught by a peasant/clown.

Michael-Heinrich

October 30, 2008 3:23 AM

You got to study some chemistry! The mirror cases of the S- and RS- models are Aluminum, not "silver coated" which would be far more "superior" than some other brands though.

st_efano

November 19, 2008 3:06 PM

read this GPKH

http://www.audiworld.com/news/08/b8-s4-first-drive/

halms2008

October 24, 2008 4:27 PM

they really need to bring rs6 avant to the US.

GPKH

October 24, 2008 7:14 PM

Don't worry, you're not missing much. It handles poorly, nose heavy. Rather get the M5 Touring. The reason they the didn't bring to US is because they know Americans won't like a so called sports car touring to handle like a mini taxi. It's just no competition for the BMW. On top of that, the reliability of these RS and S cars from Audi are so bad that they will lose so much money to offer a warranty package that's the same as BMW. If you look at other countries, Audi warranty and motorplan is mostly significantly shorter than BMW's, even twice as short in some. Showing the underlying lack of quality and reliability from VW's underpinnings. so to sum up, you do not have that choice because it is an inferior one.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 1:59 PM

Actually BMW offers less on all their cars than Audi with their warranties, probably because thay have such good quality, which is actually well below Audi's. The RS6 sedan will be brought to the US, all forms of wagons even in BMW and Mercedes sell in low numbers in the US. Remember that the M5 has a really bad gearbox as well as driving dynamics overall, but its still better. Don't worry, GPKH is just trying to compensate for all of BMWs inadequecies, which there are many. Its desperate, but thats just his style.

GPKH

November 2, 2008 12:50 PM

Don'y argue with me on this. it is very easy, anyone can enquire about the warranty period and you know that BMw offers a much longer period. even twice as long in some countries like south Africa, Hong Kong, Australia to name a few

Carbon_Dew

October 25, 2008 12:12 AM

Someone is taking some serious offense! I am proud to say that i dislike BMW, not because they make poor cars, but because their following believes that there is no better... They are obviously mislead! You can get the same result whether you use a 7.2 mega pixel camera or a 2.0 mega pixel, it's the person taking the picture that makes the difference! If the new M3 is so brilliant, what are they trying to prove by comparing it to an old RS4? If RS6's are such rubbish, why do M5 owner's prefer driving a RS6 in cities and traffic(where most of them usually live)? A simple fact, BMW makes superb cars, Audi's are just so much nicer to drive everyday!

GPKH

October 25, 2008 12:23 PM

Yes Carbon, Audi's would be so much nicer to drive everyday if you are in your 50's or 60's. But for young guys, BMW is the way to go. Most people swap to Merc when they are in their 60's to 70's. So you may change soon.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 2:21 PM

Yes Carbon, take heed in the morons advice, it clearly knows what it’s talking about.

motorjedi

October 25, 2008 7:02 AM

GPKH, do you work for BMW PR? I love Bimmers, and yes, I'd have any one over the equivalent Audi, but give Audi a bit of credit. Their cars don't handle like mini-taxis, whatever the hell those are, and there's no denying the grip and security that comes from a 4WD system, especially Quattro. Sure, you would have more fun in a BMW if your daily commute involved a lot of powersliding, but since you probably don't live up an alp with a private road, an Audi's a good alternative. Besides, with the new A4/A5 platform, the engine is further behind, so it's surely not as nose-heavy as you make it out to be, and the Quattro systems do chuck more power to the back anyway. And yes, they do share components with VW, but how is that a bad thing? VW makes sturdy stuff and shares it with all its child companies. Everything that puts Audi in a class above VW is its own - luxury, tech, etc. I really think you shouldn't be so hateful of Audis. One day you'll drive one that will change your mind. And stop proving Carbon_Dew's point and make us BMW fans look bad.

GPKH

October 25, 2008 12:21 PM

That's exectly the problem: when these Audi customers purchase an Audi, they expect themselves to be in the premium market. But the fact is that audi shares about of component with A3/A4, Golf/Polo, Seat/ Skoda. If Audi was sharing parts with an upper class car market, it would be fine. But VW is considered to be lower class, it is not a premium product and therefore the inherent lower quality and reliability that's seen from most surveys done, especially when the car gets older. This lower cost saving from sharing parts has meant that audi has been able to post one of the best profit margins per car sold in the industry (but not most cars sold), meaning that they are cheating their customers - which I am highly against.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 2:14 PM

I feel sorry for you motorjedi, if I saw someone like GPKH doing this to BMW's I would be ashamed too. It thinks that its doing a service to BMW by promoting all their products and degrading everything else, but in reality its just making a fool of itself and hurting BMWs image. I'm sure BMW would be disgusted to have such filth associated with the brand. I'm just watching it (GPKH) like a moth slowly killing itself flying into a flame. Its funny to see something keep doing something so unbeleivably stupid.

GPKH

October 25, 2008 10:00 PM

The truth can be ugly. I am merely stating the facts, the facts that VW does not want the public to hear, the facts that Audi supporters are so blind to realise or too pinful to admit. I am not trashing audi to make Merc and BMW look better. It's just that I'm trying to let you see that audi does not belong in the premium segment despite it charging premium prices for its products in some countries. As said by BMW Marketing Head: Just because Audi charges premium prices doesn't mean that it's a premium product. That just sums it all up nicely.

xenomorph

October 26, 2008 6:31 AM

World Car Of the Year Awards must be a real headache for you. Pretty bad that BMW is being beaten by "VW" across all fields. I think what’s really funny is that a true BMW fan has said in nice terms that you are a pathetic association not worthy of BMW. That is the truth; even I can say BMW is worth more than an ignorant peasant such as yourself. Really you’re only hurting BMW with your ignorance, associating yourself with the company and spewing post BMW garbage only further degrades the company. If Audi was really so bad though, why are they beating BMW all the time it seems e.g WCOTY and why are sales continuing to increase, if they are so bad? I'll look forward to hearing you weasel your way out of that, the truth.

GPKH

October 26, 2008 3:06 PM

I am only talking about world car of the year, the main award. don't come with your other subs such as world performance car of tehyear and count that as worldcar of the year. Besides, I must say that there are limitations to the World performance car of the year. The R8 and M3 was released at the same time and the award only considers cars that are newly launched that year. That's why the RS4 won the World Performance car of the year becasue they chose a year where there are no other worthy contenders to the world performance car category in that year. But when you read all magazines and videos of comparisons between RS4 and M3 and th Merc, all say BMW M3 is still king. The only thing that Rs4 beats others (BMW) is the from 0 sprint because of the fact that it is a stupid 4x4. around the track, RS4 could noteven come close to BMW despite the 4x4 system, could not even turn into corners properly with this so called grippy 4x4. Hey maybe we should make all F1 cars 4x4 and go offroad as well. Stupid Audi is a BMW want to be. a failing one that is.

xenomorph

October 28, 2008 11:51 AM

Really you are just cheating yourself if you can't accept that they are good cars. BMWs are good cars even though they arn't my preference. If you had an RS4 or an M3 and you were complaining about either of them then that would be sad. I would honestly be happy with either. Even though the C63 is a fast car as well the thing that spoils it for me (like with all Mercedes) is the automatic only transmission. For me nothing can beat a manual in terms of driving joy (thats just me though). Even DSG or SMG isn't as good as a manual in my opinion even though they are excellent gearboxes.

RS5

October 29, 2008 3:27 AM

GPKH, you try too hard to make excuses but honestly, your efforts are to no avail, as you're just making yourself sound like an ingnorant fool who's only purpose in life is to degrade Audi, no matter how retarded it makes you seem. Grow up.

michelin901

October 25, 2008 3:15 PM

s4 better than a 335. haven heard anythin more funnier. was it 'you' who conducted the test? gpkh might be a bit overboard most of the time but you seem to be at par with him on an audi fan level so save it

michelin901

October 25, 2008 3:17 PM

oh this ones for u 'xenomorph'

xenomorph

October 26, 2008 11:22 AM

Perhaps, but who do you think is more accurate. New cars are generally always better than existing ones and the S4 has promising statistics. It may not be better, but it likely will be. The problem is though that everyone seems to think that if a car doesn't "win" it is bad. It’s more about personal preference and style when it comes to cars like these. Unless you are mentally challenged like our maggoty little friend.

michelin901

October 26, 2008 8:52 PM

apart from audis awards which i wont disagree with theres nothing else sensible in what you say. you are merely tryin to elevate your opinions and nothing more. lashing out and calling ppl 'it' and what not shows the kind of upbringing you had. not to mention how well mannered other audi fans are here. and arent you the one stressing on audis 'wins'? i hate the way audis look and ride and thats my opinion. the r8 is the most overrated car of all times and underpowered and butt ugly to me. performance wise i havent seen any audi beating a bmw, or even a merc in recent times. no magazines or tv programs have stated the m3 or the m5 as bad cars. im sure someone like you will call them biased but these are facts. im outta here for while you guys can pray the s4 'wins'.

xenomorph

October 28, 2008 11:54 AM

Honestly they are all good cars, but the thing is that none of them are bad which is what some people here are trying to emphasise. I'm the equal and opposite side to them, I should know beter not to comment to a fool though.

Carbon_Dew

October 26, 2008 12:51 AM

Sigh, there simply isn't any hope for some people! However, no one has answered my question yet, what are they trying to prove by comparing the new M3 to the old RS4? If the new M3 just about met the old RS4, I can't see how 335i is going to be better than the new S4... Once again, people that read stats and make big comments but don't have the balls to show it (probably because they can't afford 1)!

michelin901

October 26, 2008 3:16 AM

the 335 has an award winning engine and even tho it has less power than the s5 it handles much better and is faster around the track. i dont like fifth gear but u can check out their review. and well they have to compare the m3 to the existing rs4 dont they, along with the closest contender the c63. and they sure are gonna test it with the upcomin one as well. oh n the m3 just doesnt beat the old rs4 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axb19DwhqUk

michelin901

October 26, 2008 3:18 AM

oops my bad i was talkin abt the s5. we can wait and see how the s4 performs alongside the bimmer

Schizo0223

October 27, 2008 4:42 AM

Ah crap another one of these heated debates...

Just go out and purchase an Audi, MB, and a BMW and live with one for a couple of months/years and you will see some of the points the GPKH is so ineloquently trying to make. (GPKH...Stop trying too hard man...)

I have owned all three brands for considerable amount of time and I dare say...I do not think Audi is on the same level as the other two. The ownership experience was not too pleasant and I did not appreciate the fact that I could see common parts and bits as in my suborindate's Passat. Plus the driving dynamics were so so...

I don't think it improved in recent years as my neighbor got fed up with his new A6 breaking down all the time and he traded it in for a new 5 Series. He says it is the worst car he has ever owned...and he's even owned some Hyundai's!!!

Audi is more like on the level of a Lexus or an Infiniti. (They are all fine cars...but miss that 2% to be exceptional cars.)

kevoluetion

October 27, 2008 8:59 AM

Who gives a toss about what GPKH and fan thinks....every car has its duds, yr neightbour was unlucky. I know stories about people having bad BMW problems aswell but I dont rave on about how bad BMW is because I know every car has its lemon

GPKH

October 27, 2008 2:30 PM

Exactly my point, go drive one and you'll see for yourself. There's a reason why audi sells so many times fewer cars than BMW. Why waste my time to argue with pigs here that's so ignorantly saying that the obvious inferior Audi brand is better than BMW. Besides the breakdown story, which definately shows inferior quality from using VW parts, Audi is just not a great car to drive (there's no fun, it's just plain old boring. and once again, the world can do without Audi. But no-one can imagine a world without BMW.

xenomorph

October 28, 2008 12:09 PM

Oh that is truly pathetic, your so far up your own rectal passage I'm not sure which end these words are comming from. You will live to see the day that Audi outsells BMW in terms of cars. There annual profits are already $3 billion while Mercedes and BMWs are "only" $1 billion. With 40 new models out over the next few years you are going to have to face the inevitable truth. The US which is a prime market for BMW as well is already in a steady state of decline so I'm not sure what the future holds for them. China is an emerging market and as I stated previously Audi is rightly so the market leader in the premium segment. You need to realise though that competition is really a good thing and if it wern't for Audi with the B7 RS4 the M3 likely wouldn't have a V8. The main reason they did that was to bring themselves on par. Otherwise they would have likely used a more powerful turbo straight six for example. PS I know someone who had a 5 series and the entire dashboard had to be deconstructed to fix squeeks and rattles. After it was reassembeled the problem persisted. Another person I know had an S class (previous generation), it had transmission problems that persisted after it was apparently repaired at the workshop many times. He ended up dumping the car at the dealership demanding his money be returned. Like kevolution said any car company can produce a lemon. In your mind that would "definitely show inferior quality". In actual fact though, you are nothing more than a sanctimonious cretin.

kevoluetion

October 29, 2008 5:21 AM

GPKH, If what you described Audi was true, then Audi would have been bankrupted and humiliated by the press long ago. I think you are a little exaggerated there...and I own an Audi, and you're not hearing from me, there are cold hard evidence out there that shows Audi is climbing, if not already surpassed the superior ladder. And you comment "But no-one can imagine a world without BMW" is just lame

GPKH

November 1, 2008 3:38 PM

Exactly my point. Audi profit per car is higher than BMW's and Merc's because it has a large common brand backing all its resources, sharing parts together. Making the production and development costs much cheaper. That's why they are able to achieve exceptional profi per car. because basically the customers are just paying premium BMW prices for nothing but just a modified VW. feel sorry for those customers, but it's their own fault. Also don't come with your china arguement. The latest survey done was that BMW was the most desired car among the rich in China. The reason why Audi is selling more than BMW is because VW entered the market long before BMW and has production of VW and Audi (note, in the same production factory). Audi has also volunteered to sponsor th government officals in China and hence bringing a host of other businesses for the VW Group there. The tax on imported car in China is almost 100% for some. That's why BMW has not been able to enter the market as deeply, but they have already started with prodution of the 5 Series and 3 will follow very soon. If you look at the growth rate of both manufacturers, Audi is actually the car that's losing market share. BMW's growth month and year on year is exceeding Audi's by far. Poeple with brains will definately figure out audi's money making scheme and I assure you that teh Chinese people will the the first to switch to BMW when the situation is right (i.e. starting production in China, making their cars less taxable like Audi currently is). Sorry you lose again

Uptohere

October 28, 2008 10:48 PM

GPKH - "But no-one can imagine a world without BMW." You have definitely drank the kool-aid. Sigh....

Audi_lover

October 29, 2008 11:33 PM

ah bunch of morons trying to make a point. I bet most of you have never never driven an RS4 or M3 b4. Yeah, like I'm gonna believe the dealer let you drive them

wisp

October 30, 2008 8:23 AM

Yeah pipo are so rich here that they own every other god car. In reality they own 'datsuns'. The cars they buy maybe play station cars and thats as far as they get to a test drive.

wisp

October 30, 2008 8:36 AM

Carbon Dew, i'm from Joburg. They tested the 335i, M3, R8, RS4 and the C63AMG at Kyalami race track (former F1 track). let me make it easy for you to understand. Do sit down for this. in the order of performance on the reef (high altitude)at Kaylami the qickest by a split second was the R8 followed by the M3, then the 335i followed by the RS4 and last but not least the C63 AMG (quickest in staright line). The time done by the R8 to the 335i was so close just to show you how good BMW dynamics are. Go ask any race driver, they'll tell you that the BMW's in general are superior in driving dynamics to Audi and Merc. Go google comparison tests of the above cars and on 80% f them you'll find that the BMW's kill their competitors in driving dynamics. The 335i was tested in the US with the S5. The S5 was beaten so the next S4 has a mountain to climb. Audis RS4 was like 5 to 6 years 'younger than te old E46 M3 and yet it had to pull out all it's tricks to just beat a 5 - 6 year old M3. The fact of the matter is that the M3 is only 1 to 2 years younger than the RS4 and 1 year older than the c63 AMG but still it is able to beat the much younger Merc in driving dynamics. Look it's what you look for in a car and if a had a 'pace maker' to take care of my weak heart then i would settle for the Audi - the fact that i love the thrill and blood rush to the head - ti'll take the BMW any day.

Uptohere

October 30, 2008 8:03 PM

So then the difference between the m3 and 335 must have been very small, no?

wisp

October 30, 2008 8:43 AM

Xenomorph like i've told you before - pour water on your insults man. You call any person that is not an Audi fan "ignorant, id!ot, ret@rd" and son. Man you need help and you need help now - You so much remind me of Bart Simpsons father. YOu are a piece of work man - get outta here if you can't respect other peoples opinions. You make this site sound so pornographic. Grow up.

Carbon_Dew

October 30, 2008 12:11 PM

Sure, fair enough! Wisp, you obviously aren't any race driver... It's a pity that people with pace-makers in their high-end performance cars have to pass the death sites of the hotheaded thrills the younger generation had in their Joburg citigolf's!

Dragos_DreS

October 30, 2008 7:47 PM

i own an audi and i'd still buy even the previous model M3 model over this new S4. I'm glad that they got rid of that piece of shiet gas gosling V8 that the B6 & B7 models had. STILL FOR A 2009 MODEL THIS CAR IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

however for the price and the performance i do like the new A4 much better. Wouldn't spend the extra cash for the S4 model.

Uptohere

October 30, 2008 8:00 PM

In reality, each marque (audi,merc,bmw) is really bringing their game at the moment, and each has their strength. This is what fuels such rivalry! Merc I think is back on track and Audi's learning curve in the last 10 years is simply unbelieveable. BMW's undoubtedly have the edge around a track and the stopwatch proves it. But off the track bmw concedes points to the other two in several important ways. I was initially going to buy bmw for my next car but when I look at the product offering I see boring, boring, boring. So it's off to merc and audi I go. Btw I think this new s4 will be fantastic and a breath of fresh air.

PotatoEater

November 4, 2008 5:59 AM

The audi is an overpriced VW, or way overpriced Skoda. Good cars no doubt, for driving schools, rental cars and taxis when options such as four wheels and brakes plus aircond are important.

khan

April 11, 2009 4:16 PM

I was looking for something related to the new S4 as I am considering to own one.

I am writing this almost half a year later than u guys, a lot of things have happened. Some say Audi is just over priced VW in terms of quality because it's owned by VW, now the reality is VW is almost owned by Porsche, under that logic, is VW underpriced Porsche?

Performance wise, many test drives of the new S4 have taken place, some concluded this car is not very suitable for tracks, but all of them admit it is perfect for everything else. Statistically, it is more powerful, yet equally fuel efficient and equally eco-friendly, comparing to the bi-turbo 335.

Facts about BMW, my boss occasionally drives me to workplace with a 2008 registered 745, it's such a hard rod and I feel even just an A6 makes you more comfortable and relaxed, although not as luxurious. I haven't driven a BMW for more than half an hour and I can't say if I like driving it, but I can guess it's really 'superb' to drive and it makes u feel confident, because in England everyone knows who are inpatient, rude and aggresive, it's BMW drivers, 3 series to be exact.

Edited by user on April 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM