Audi S5 Convertible Finally Spied in the Open

afterace2

October 17, 2008 12:31 PM

i really like it, it's gorgeous!

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:11 PM

ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE COMMENTING ON THE AUDI, DON'T BE MISTAKEN, THIS IS NO LONGER THE BMW 7 SERIES PAGE THET YOU WERE LOOKING AT A FEW SEC AGO. THIS IS AN AUDI PAGE WHERE THEY JUST CHOPPED OFF THE TOP OF THE S5/A5 AND TRIED TO MAKE A CONVERTIBLE - EXPECTING PEOPLE TO SAY WOW. IF YOUR COMMENT WAS INTENDED HERE, WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT THIS SLOPPY FAT FISH IS GORGEOUS? TO SAY THE LEAST, NOT ONLY IS IT UGLY, BUT IT'S BORING

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 11:16 AM

It sounds like its the perfect car for you then!

ceven

October 17, 2008 12:56 PM

Come on, you know Audi.

Of course it's gonna have the 354hp 4.2 V8.

xenomorph

October 18, 2008 10:58 AM

The only reason that they are unsure of the 4.2L V8 is that some sources are saying that the S5 will recieve the 3.0L supercharged V6 that is being used in the B8 S4 in the near future. The only info I have heard relating to that is that it will recieve the V6 supercharged engine when the car is facelifted. Some may be pleased with this while others may not be. Although the 3.0L TFSI V6 gives the same performance and reduced fuel consumption, a V8 engine has a special feel to it whether its driveing or listnening to one go by. I've driven a few S5s, manual and tiptronic, (manual is so much better) and the feeling of the V8 is just excellent. I'm not sure the V6 TFSI will give the same feeling, but we can only wait and see, anything else said is just speculation, it may be an amazing engine.

ceven

October 17, 2008 12:58 PM

The rear end seems a bit small, now that I've browsed the photos twice. At least in my memory the A5 had a pretty pompous rear.

GeePee

October 17, 2008 1:06 PM

I LUV IT!

wisp

October 17, 2008 1:23 PM

The previous A4 had a more subtle grill coz this one is so simillar to Darth Vaders mask?

Peamousse

October 17, 2008 1:38 PM

The A5 is totally inspired by the BMW e92... they just adapted it to Audi's standards. Plagiarism!

catchmyshadow

October 17, 2008 3:51 PM

blah blah

Audinator

October 21, 2008 1:47 AM

And another boring comment....

KayGeeOh

October 17, 2008 1:48 PM

Wait!!! Isnt the A4 open top also a 2 door 4 seater.... are we being duped?

radmeister

October 17, 2008 2:19 PM

Yeah i was just going to say that looks more like an audi S4 cabrio with the new headlights and tailights they put in for 2009.

evo82

October 17, 2008 2:34 PM

new a4 has different headlights. this one is missing the little step in the headlights so it's clearly s5.

ceven

October 17, 2008 3:07 PM

evo82's just plain right.

RS5

October 19, 2008 3:12 AM

Probably going to dump the A4 cabrio.

tumbo

October 17, 2008 1:48 PM

SO frekin beautiful!!!!!!!!

And peamousse. Jealousy? The A5 looks 100 times better than the E92.

Peamousse

October 17, 2008 7:28 PM

LOL They can and have to design beautiful models beacause the original design comes from BMW :) They did not invent anything new in terms of design with the A5. You just have to admit that the were inspired by the e92 when they designed the A5. Look at the rear lights!

michelin901

October 17, 2008 8:12 PM

agree to that. this thing looks like the e92 from those rear overhead shots. the a4 has the 3 series side surfaces too. good attempt but not enough to take bmw's crown

xenomorph

October 18, 2008 11:02 AM

No, you are both incorrect, the A5 and S5 draw their inspiration from the Nuvolari quattro concept that was first shown to the public in 2002/2003 at the Geneva motorshow. That was well before the e92 bmw came out. So in actual fact bmw copied Audi. Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

michelin901

October 18, 2008 12:20 PM

bmw copied audi! ha ha ha.. never happens my friend. bring on the rs4 or rs watever.. m is in a diff league...

xenomorph

October 18, 2008 3:55 PM

Ha ha ha, it did happen, look at the Nuvolari quattro concept like I said, it came out many years before the e92. Besides, the design of the A5/S5 is far superior compared to the common 3 series coupe. And bmw is not in a different league, what planet have you been on for the last few years. RS models are better than M products though. The new RS 5 will be unquestionable. Though I doubt you have or will ever drive any of these cars.

michelin901

October 18, 2008 9:03 PM

right so everyone on this forum should be able to drive all the cars possible isnt it? smart. all the rs' look the part but has never beaten an m. the brand new rs6 lost out to a c63 in a straight line. the m3 and m5 are class leaders. its a fact. whatever crap you can say is not gonna change that.

RS5

October 19, 2008 3:05 AM

Where did you read that the RS6 lost out to a C63 in a straight line. They haven't even done tests with the RS6 saloon if that's what you're talking about, and if you're talking about the RS6 Avant, obviously a much lighter sedan with 451hp would probably get faster times. the RS6 relies only on brute force seemingly.

RS5

October 19, 2008 3:11 AM

A4 has BMW 3 series sides? The A5 looks like a 3 series? I guess you're right. They have black tires, alloy rims, oh and shiny transparent windows too! Amazingly enough they both even have headlamps, taillamps, shiny exhaust pipes, doors and even engines!

I've never seen such ignorance and claims that can't even be backed up with evidence. The Audi and BMWs have completely different character lines, window layouts, wheel arches...Call me an Audi fanboy. That doesn't make any of you much less BMW fanboys.

michelin901

October 19, 2008 5:17 AM

whatever. im talkin abt the rs6 avant and the c63 estate.. see for yourself - http://www.germancarblog.com/2008/09/audi-rs6-video-comparison-against.html

xenomorph

October 19, 2008 2:58 PM

Don't worry RS5 he's just your average BMW fanboy, never driven any of the cars and above all poorly informed in all regards to cars. He's clearly dillusional but lets just leave him to float in his own ignorance... we know better. Besides, the root of this argument was that Audi copied bmws styling and as I have said again and again, all of Audi's current models draw their inspiration from the Nuvolari quattro concept which was unveiled at the Geneva motorshow in 2002. If you look at that car you will surely see the error of you judgement.

michelin901

October 19, 2008 8:58 PM

watched the video where the rs6 gets owned by the c63 yet? hey you know what we should stop arguing. its funny to see us adults talk like . not everyone here has the chance to even drive or see any of the great cars that we have here and pickin on tat is just retarded. im no car scientist and pretty sure most of you guys arent as well. so keep it real. i used to like audis a long time ago. but i dont anymore. i think they look borin esp the a6 and tats my opinion. they should have left the design at the a8 which i think is a very respected car. oh n i had the pleasure of being in and m3 and its just a marvel but its stupid when all you audi fans think its crap when there are professional drivers out there praising it. if you dont like its looks just say that. audi and bmw 'fanboys' are gonna be at war for ever. lets atleast take a step towards cooperation! ha ha.

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 2:18 PM

I'd like you to take note that I have never said that a BMW or any other car is a bad car out of a whim. If a survey says so then I have quoted the facts but yes, otherwise they are great cars. You see, the main reason we are having such discussions is that some people are grossly misinformed. I'm merely just trying to inform them and put them back on track with the facts.

jalmonte91

October 17, 2008 2:40 PM

It's a beautiful car, but i still rather get a hard-top 3-series. Maybe if this car would've been hard-top conv., it might have been considered

wisp

October 17, 2008 2:52 PM

Give us a picture of this bcar with the soft top on and if it still looks good then it will have passed the litmus test. I however doubt if it looks good with the top on.

morpik

October 17, 2008 3:28 PM

looks great, unfortunately it will get the new v6 biturbo about 330 bhp instead of the v8, same goes to the s5 coupe and new s4. fuel saving time:(

ceven

October 17, 2008 5:01 PM

Found some German sources saying it's gonna get the detuned 4.2 V8 FSI.

Also found this, artists impression of a 2010 A3: http://www.speedheads.de/auto/zukunft/bilder/audi_a3_2010-3787-46.jpg

BabyMilo

October 18, 2008 1:02 PM

amazing i love the way it looks, gawjous! well done audi

GPKH

October 18, 2008 10:34 PM

OUT OF PROPORTION, LOOK AT THAT REAR, ONE OF THE BEAUTY OF THE BMW 3 SERIES AND THE 1 SERIES CONVERTIBLE IS THAT THE SHOULDER LINE SWEEPS THAROUGH FROM FRONT TO END EXTREMELY STAIGHTLY LIKE A LUXURY CRUISE BOAT. LOOK AT THIS BIG ASS THING - ABSOLUTE POOR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. I AM AN ENGINEER MYSELF AND I CAN SAFELY SAY HTAT THIS CAR WAS DEFINATELY NOT BUILT TO BE A CONVERTIBLE, HENCE THE EXTREMELY HIGH BOOT LINE AT THE REAR TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE FOLDING TOP. THIS CAR IS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE HANDLING WILL BE TERRIBLE. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO A BRAND THAT'S VW AND MEASURES TO CUT COSTS. BMW BUILDS A CAR FOR WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS. AUDI BUILDS A VW, THEN TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY, AFTER A WHILE, THEY SEE BMW WITH THE CONVERTIBLE AND THEY CHOP THE TOP OFF THE S5 AND TRY TO FOLLOW BMW. DOES NOT SUIT AT ALL. THOSE OF YOU SAYING THIS IS BEAUTIFUL - WHICH PART? THE UGLY OVERSIZED FAT ASS OR THE UGLY FISH MOUTH AT THE FRONT?

RS5

October 19, 2008 2:10 AM

The S5 was voted #6 or 7 of Car and Driver's 2008's Top 10 Most Beautiful Cars along with the R8. The designer of the car Walter Da Silva called it the most beautiful car he had ever penned. The S5 was built ground up on an A4 platform, VW has nothing to do with it. Of course everyone has his opinion, but you're just a dumbass spewing $hit who claims to be an engineer but has no damn idea what he's talking about. And BMW's not the only damn company that produces convertibles. I hate it when people say Audi is a VW. So that means that Bentley, Porsche, Bugatti and Lamborghini are all VWs too. Bull$hit.

xenomorph

October 19, 2008 3:12 PM

Its such a shame that bmw seems to attract the degenerates of society. If it wasn't for them I think the brand would be much better for it. This so called engineer (obviously a massive failure at best) seems to think he knows all aspects of the car even though it hasn't been released to anyone. And making assumptions based on styling from a low quality picture is just pathetic. I doubt he's ever seen one of these cars in real life, let alone driven one. It is definitely one of the most beautiful cars currently in production (coupe) and I have no doubt that the cabriolet will be just as striking. As for handling etc to make judgements is just ridiculous. I've driven the coupe and it is magnificent to drive (manual is so much better than tiptronic in my opinion). To say something like Audi and VW are the same just shows the most absolute form of ignorance. The only cars that have similar attributes are the A3 and Golf, and really, who cares about the A3. I'd hate to see anything designed by this so called engineer, probably works on the latest in public toilet design, seeing as the quality of everything he has to say is pure crap.

Peamousse

October 19, 2008 6:03 PM

xenomorph: you seem to know everything of the actual auto production, that is a pleasure but we can not talk with you because if smbdy does not agree with you, he is wrong... do not be frustrated if you can not afford a bmw my friend you can continue to dream on your beautiful bmw inspired audi^^

GPKH

October 19, 2008 7:02 PM

To; RS5: well, whether it is beautiful or not cannot be judged by the mere fact that the people who designed the car called it "the most beautiful car he's ever penned" - EVERY SINGLE DESIGNER SAYS THAT AND COME WITH A LOAD OF RUBBISH BEHIND THEIR DESIGNS. EVEN THE DESIGNER OR THE OLD 7 SERIES SAID THAT IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S THE DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE FUTURE. Now are you also going say i's beautiful because he said that??? Secondly, your so called most beautiful cars in the world is extremely subjective, especially that Car and drivers' magazine that's well known for their association with the VW Group. In actual fact, most people worldwide would take the 3 Series derivatives over any audi A4/A5. check the othermagazines and sales figures. What most people tend to say when they compare the two coupe are that BMW just shines naturally whereas Audi tried to copy BMW and overdid it with too much design and unnecessary bulges. Most people also commented that the rear of the a4 and A5 was an area of tremendous weakness in design. Thirdly, regarding engineering: I cannot help that you are sick of hearing people say Audi is a VW, however if you do not like that fact, then maybe Adui is not for you. Strip an audi and a VW and you'll see the immense similarity. compare the parts and components and you'll see that most of them have 4 badges printed on them: VW, Skoda, Seat and Audi. And I am sorry to say that those of you who are stupid enough to pay premium prices for an Audi is merely buying nothing but a VW - don't make that mistake again if you are clever. and Lastly, compare the chassis, braking, information systems and quality of a BMW and Audi and you'll see just how advanced BMW's products are. I would say BMW is ahead of Audi for at least 5 years in terms of technological advancements. How could that happen, you might wonder seeing that they are both in the German Car industry - well, it's not becasue Audi cannot produce that, they don't want to as a cost cutting measure, they must consider the production of VW when makeing an Audi or else it would just cost too much. Hence the higher profit per unit on each Audi sold. PS: something that might look beautiful to you on the outside might not beautiful to everyone. Yes, this Audi convertible is good for an Audi, but if it was a BMW, it would have been unacceptable to its superior standards. Also remember that this thing might look good to you on the outside, but it is just not good looking form an engineering design perspective - too little effort put into soomething that has immence potential. That's why BMW is always no.1

RS5

October 19, 2008 7:26 PM

I'm not an engineer so I can't refute your argument about the Audi's chassis, brakes etc. But I don't see a problem with Audis being VW engineered. VW has done cars like the Phaeton and Touraeg; both are not cheap cars. I have driven an S5 and it's a fantastic car. The exhausts, the top notch interior, the 6M transmission, those LED's...I can't think of a better package for that price. And every single road test of an R8 proudly proclaimed it to be the epitome of a supercar. Think about the awards it won and all the praise it got. Obviusly modern engineering had something to do with it. Honestly, I don't really care about what's underneath a car. Yes that may be a problem, but as long as a car doesn't fall apart after a couple thousand miles, drives well and looks as good as it drives, I'm fine with it. I also do admit that the A4 and A5's rear end could've been better in many ways; those taillamps arent' the best I've seen from Audi. But the rest of the car is too good that those details can be ignored, at least in my opinion. Another thing, there's an 8 month waiting list for an S5. Says something about what general concensus has about the car. People pay premium prices for a reason too. Audi has won multiple awards for the quality of its interiors. And obviously Audi's not just merely stripping a VW of its badges and replacing them with four rings. Audi cars look much nicer than VWs in my opinion and deserve their exclusivity.

xenomorph

October 20, 2008 2:56 PM

Its interesting that while Audi has better quality and reliability than BMWs, its still "5 years behind Audi". I base my argument on facts, not rediculous opinions and nonsense. Look at the latest surveys for quality and reliability... if you dare, you may have a heart attack seriously! GPKH please tell me what you are saying isn't serious, you are an isult to the automobile itself if you are. Heres something else that you should be advised of watching as well, heart attack alert!!! http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Twoegah1-1U Remember, "the Audi is 5 years behind the BMW". Its in German but all you need is to watch the results. The main lesson to take away from this though is, think before you post garbage, its really an insult to the automotive community doing what you are, if I saw an Audi fan doing what you are I would be ashamed and point them out. I'm sure that a true BMW fan would be ashamed of you too.

GPKH

October 20, 2008 5:31 PM

xenomorph: Clearly, you are an outright Audi fan that's blinded by the VW badge. That's what I gather from your other comments made on this site. Just to reply yo your comments made to me: Firstly, I made my comments based on real facts and experience from a wide bsae. don't come and tell me to look at the surveys when you base your Audi reliability and quality theory on little videos made to entertain people. Get your hands on the past 10 years' JD Power surveys which tells you how many problems per new vehicles - Audi comes no where near the top - in fact, they are just a few places above VW and Fiat. The winners are Honda, Merc and BMW throughout the past 10 years. Furthermore, look at surveys conducted on older vehicles (2 - 5 years) once again BMW Merc and Honda and Toyota comesout tops. Audi is yet again near the bottom half of the list, with some years performing poorer than VW. If you look at the quality surverys done around the world, you would have seen the BMW is a far more superior car than Audi - the latest reliability survey was from SA where they awarded the top 3 cars in each segment for reliability - not a single Audi came up - Merc was the winner followed by BMW, Further more, BMW offers more than twice the period of warranty than audi in most countries. Even the VW Group itself knows that their quality is not as good as BMW, not willing to compete with longer warranty periods - who areyou to come argue with me ad the rest of the world that Audi is more reliable than BMW. On a more subjective tone, when you sit in an audi, yes, it's neat and stuff,but there's no style, you feel like you're in an office. when you sit in a BMW, you feel the style and design and luxury, just like at home.- that's a quote from a foreign magazine when testing the A4 and 3 Series. That just shows that Audi's incredibly boring interior is starting get stale to most people and you can sit in your office and drive a poorly engineered car while I'll drive a superiorly deisgned, original, perfectly engineered masterpiece and pass you comfortably on a twisty mountain curve. PS don't drive too fast aound those roads, your Audi handling might just throw you into the barrier. Peace out!

GPKH

October 21, 2008 12:51 AM

Just another pointer about audi's cost cutting measures and VW standards: they are so bloody cheap that they use cut open rubbish bags to hide their car stuck on with tape... compare that to BMW's real stuck to body tape with flower patterns to cover up designs.... just shows you that BMW soes everything perfectly whereas Audi just think of the cheapest way to cut cost and they are happy as long as it's up t VW standards, well who blames them. Afterall, it's nothing buta cheap little VW... only fools get fooled to pay premium for one...

Audinator

October 21, 2008 1:52 AM

THIS IS A PLACE FOR AUDI FANS, I DUNNO WHY !DIOTS LIKE YOU ALWAYS COME HERE TO SAY HOW BEAUTIFUL BMW´s ARE. YOU ARE WRONG YOU PIG!!!!!

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 1:33 PM

"Compare that to BMW's real stuck to body tape with flower patterns to cover up designs". That just shows me that you have absolutely no idea what you are taliking about. And I was actually refering to the JD power quality test in which bmw was rated the lowest out of all the brands you listed. Audi was 16 (above all other prestige cars except Jaguar) I believe while bmw was below the industry standard at around 32. Really I don't know where you have seen the garbage you are regurgitating on this page but you honestly couldn't be more wrong. Comments like the flower pattern one are just comical at best. Its a standard fact that Audi has better quality, reliability, design and crafsmanship in relation to bmws. Your statements may have held some weight if this discussion was held over 15 years ago. You seem to be stuck in the past, things have changed for better (Audi) and for worse (bmw). They still build good cars but they have been superseeded by Audi and even Mercedes Benz of late e.g the new S class, C class and soon to be released E class. 'PS don't drive too fast aound those roads, your Audi handling might just throw you into the barrier". I'll be fine thanks, the S5 has quattro that litteraly causes the car to feel stuck to the road, unless you are flogging it withought esp on around the track. Then you will oversteer out, I saw someone do that, the fools.

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:08 PM

Sorry but you need to chekc what report you have in front of you... no recent JD reports from any countries have showned that BMW was performing below standards. Besides, why argue with me with Audi's handling, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT AUDI HANDLES BADLY COMPARED WITH BMW AND TO TRY TO REMEDY THAT THEY HAVE THE FUEL THURSTY 4X4 QUOTTRO SYSTEM, YET STILL CANNOT BEAT BMW HANDLING. IF YOU ASK ME, I WANT A REAL CAR BUILT BY REAL PROFESSIONALS - I WANT THE BEST AND THAT'S NOT VW'S AUDI.

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 10:00 AM

I guess you have never heard of S or RS models. Of course a front wheel drive Audi isn't as good to drive as a rear wheel drive car, but they aren’t meant for performance (front wheel drive), just so you know. "I WANT A REAL CAR BUILT BY REAL PROFESSIONALS - I WANT THE BEST". Sadly you won't find that with any bmw, Audi's are engineered and built far better in every department. I'm not sure someone as incompetent as you will ever be able to get a prestigious cars anyway though so you should probably concern yourself with something more appropriate for yourself, hyundai or kia perhaps (now those car definitely suit you, low class, cheap, fake and above all, pathetic). You have to remember as well, we live in a real world and when you actually go out and drive a car everything changes, what someone has put in a review really doesn't mean much. When you are stuck in traffic its nice to be immersed in quality, Bang & Olufsen, silk nappa leather and everything else at absolute premium quality (thats the S5 anyway), you can't always be racing around (the S5 handles that with ease though). You won’t have any of those features that I just listed in any of your bmws though. Of course thats because they are so "superior". PS, I'm not surprised you can't find the correct results for quality and reliability showing bmws inferiority, you are after all completely incompetent. I do find it amusing watching you float in your own ignorance though.

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:09 PM

Here's the JD Power Report.

For the midsize premium category, the BMW 5 series was the LOWEST in its class (out of 9) and the A6 was ranked 4th, after the Mercedes E class, the Infiniti M and the Lexus GS.

For the entry premium category, the A4 ranked 6th. The 3 series and the X3 ranked 11th and 14th out of 17.

For the large premium category, the 7 series ranked LAST compared to the Jag XJ, Mercedes S, Cadillac DTS and Lexus LS

For the midsize premium multi-activity category, the Q7 scored 2 ranks above the X5.

These are FACTS GPKH. Go to the website. I don't know where you 're getting your information from, but I can only make 2 conclusions. Firstly, you're spewing $hit about JD Power rankings, making them up. Secondly, you're just plain wrong about BMW's apparent quality superiority over Audi's. Or maybe JD Power's just not good enough for you.

The information I gave you are facts, not a delusionally emotional rant about how Audis are simply better in quality than BMWs, which is also true. Now GPKH stop making up 'facts' to your liking. It just doesn't make you look smart.

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Just to add, Audi is 9 ranks overall higher than BMW

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:16 PM

In brand quality i meant

xenomorph

October 24, 2008 1:42 PM

RS5, I have seen an internal document from Audi in my country as well, and believe it or not Audi has been number 1 for most aspects and in the top 5 for all else. Although JD power is a widely accepted measure of quality there are just too many variables to make it accurate. E.g. how many KM was the car driven, what climate was it in, particularly and most importantly, how did the driver take care of it, etc, etc. None of those variables are in the survey. If you take good care of your car no matter what it is it will likely last for a long time. There are just so many people out there who own these cars and they don't do the right things. When I was driving my car which is a manual, I was on a hill (with someone in the car) and she said "why are we rolling back a bit each time we start up from a stop, I was taught to just ride the clutch, why arn't you?"!!!!!@#$$%%%??? How could someone actually say that! It just shows how uneducated most people are when it comes to taking care of your car. Its the same when a bird craps on your car, if you leave it on the acids in the crap will slowly eat through the paint if its left and the panel will have to be resprayed. Most people will just leave crap on the car and disregard it in terms of other propper care and maintemance. The thing is if you care properly for your car you can easily avoid problems, it just requires effort. But yes, the peasant is wrong about using quality assurance tests to make his cars seem better.

RS5

October 27, 2008 3:36 AM

unbelievable how someone can make up such lies and then vehemently defend them by attacking people who are actually informed, while knowing that what he's saying is untrue. Certainly the stereotype of BMW drivers applies well.

samuelzeus

October 19, 2008 4:35 PM

GPKH, i guess you should calm down a bit. Did you realise that the car has got some camo at rear bumper? You can talk about the actual proportion of this car once they get rid of that.

GPKH

October 19, 2008 7:03 PM

Yes, but I was not talking about the bumper, I was talking about the top area of the rear, where the top folds down. Bumper has no significance here

kevoluetion

October 20, 2008 5:45 AM

Guys guys guys, its alllll the same every time there is an Audi post...the usual contenders will say their old "its crap not as good as bmw" comments....You can basically say the same thing over and over, until u get tired of it yourself. Whenever Audi does a good job, someone will say its not good enough or someone find a car that beats it whether its in performance or heritage. When BMW makes a POS, those contenders usually dont post anything in those forums....Only attacking what they see as threats and want to start something....Just do what i do, like it hate it...its your opinion, who cares what other people think. In my opinion, this S5 convertible rocks BIG TIME.

Audinator

October 21, 2008 2:09 AM

Agree with you BRO!!!!

brocky

October 20, 2008 7:27 AM

Are these essays necessary? This car is pointless. I love Audi's and my next car might be a VW. But they have to get some things straight and really know what real drivers want. Quattros are cool but front wheel driven cars are not. And forget the convertibles... it's killing the badass image Audi created with the RS' and the R8.

wisp

October 20, 2008 9:07 AM

I respect Audi supporters that take the criticism on the chin and do not go react with personal attacks. We however do have idiots here that protect the Audi brand like it was owned by their great grandfathers. Why on earth would an adult with two nuts trash talk someone who loves a different brand. Trash the brand and not the person - that at least is a sign of maturity and if fans of certain brands can't handle the criticism leveled at their cars and react by calling the critics names - then go fcuk off and the long Q at a mental hospital. This website is about criticising and applauding car brands, it's not a site to get all personal although some have pushed me before to get personal. Let's be civil people.

wisp

October 20, 2008 9:19 AM

"Another thing, there's an 8 month waiting list for an S5".

Impressive but how about this - "Top gear reported that theres was a 2 year waiting period for the M3. Here in South Africa it's even longer. It costs more to buy a used M3 (scaricity mi broer - demand and supply). So...Aidu is good in one way and i believe the S5 would suit women more than men and an M3 is all steriods so it would suit a man more. This S5 cabrio is pointeless when compared to it's sibling the coupe - the same can not be said on the 335i coupe and cabrio. Mercedes showed us the success it had with the SLK, so why not apply the same formulae of a 2 in 1 car.

xenomorph

October 20, 2008 2:46 PM

"S5 would suit women more than men and an M3", comments like that are the main reason I will post something back to point out an idiot. Honestly what kind of a thing to say is that. The S5 is no ladies car, if you see one its got a very masculine design, at the front especially. The M3 actually looks more petite and feminine with the kidney grills etc. However I couln't see a women driving either of those cars (no offence to any girls), they are generally manual though (M3 and S5) and generally attract car enthusiasts, who are usually men. The 3 series and A5 are more suited to women, if you can really say that.

Peamousse

October 20, 2008 3:00 PM

Here in France, we have to wait for about 6 months for a M3 and about 4 months for a M5. 3 or for for a 335i.

xenomorph

October 20, 2008 3:15 PM

peamouse saw your comment above to me, "if you can not afford a bmw my friend you can continue to dream on your beautiful bmw inspired audi" one word for you.... moron. I actually own an Audi so I don't need your bavarian filth thanks. Ps Audi's are generally more expensive compared to bmws, which is unfortunate in my opinion.

michelin901

October 20, 2008 8:54 PM

xenomorph my friend. firstly the m3 is in a diff class to the s5. please dont compare them. secondly both the a4 and s5 look like lil girls with led makeups. im not kiddin. i can only hope the rs models of both look decent enough. and the funniest thing is i saw a c63, an is-f, a m3 sedan and a last gen rs4 recently and they were all driven by women! ha ha.

Peamousse

October 20, 2008 9:43 PM

Xeno: I actually own a 335d, give me an engine rivalizing with it in Audi's models plz. Moron ^^

RS5

October 20, 2008 10:35 PM

"M3 is on steroids" The S5 has the widest body in it's class for improved handling. Yes, wider than an M3. Go look up the dimensions and see if I'm wrong. And how the hell is an S5 a lady's car. I dont' know that many ladies who can drive stick and handle the V8. You are obviously saying that to degrade us men who like the S5. Go on an S5 forum. You won't see any women there.

RS5

October 20, 2008 11:34 PM

And I dont' understand how your convertible theory applies. why does it make sense to have a 335 cabrio but not an S5 cabrio? And the S5 is not compared to an M3, rather a 335xi. M3 is too much car for the S5, if that's what you meant by your steroids and women comment. that's like saying a 335 is a woman's car.

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 2:00 PM

Yes RS5 is correct, I didnt mean to sound like the S5 is an M3 competitor. It clearly is not. That will be the RS5. And at michelin, I think its good that more women are driving high performance cars, does that make them girly cars though just because you have seen more women driving them?

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:04 PM

S5 AND A5 DOES REALLY SUIT WOMEN AND MORE WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO THEM. IT IS A KNOWN FACT, GO CHECK THE SALES FIGURES. 96% OF M3 DRIVERS AND OWNERS ARE MEN, WHILE 74% OF S5 DRIVERS ARE MEN. SO YOU TELL ME, WHICH IS WHICH. ALSO WHEN YOU COMPARE THE M3 AND THE S5, THE S5 IS LIKE A LITTLE GIRL WITH THESE SWEEPING LINES AND GIRLY FUSSY UGLY FACE. THE M3 IS FOR MEN, IT'S GOT REAL MUSCULAR DESIGN, STRONG FRON WITH SHARP EYES (CORONOA RINGS). M3 MEANS BUSINESS WHILE THE S5 WANT TO SLUT AROUND WITH A WIDE DRESS TO COVER ITS FAT ROLLS - JUST LIKE SILLY UGLY GIRLS. not to mention that the s5 drives like $hit.

RS5

October 21, 2008 11:06 PM

I don't even know where you got your sales figures from, but 74% men is still a majority which means that more men are attracted. Think about that for a while so your simple mind can absorb that information. And you obviously haven't driven an S5. Every SINGLE review talks about its good handling, save for the slightly unresponsive steering. M3 has muscular design? It's narrower than an S5. The S5 has the widest body in its class. And that doesn't make it fat either. Why do you think most supercars have wide bodies? And Corona whatevers arent' even that visible in daylight. LEDs really stand out and if you think the corona rings stand out more, you're either blind or in denial because Audi actually incorporated the idea into a production car first. Never mind Kia and Mazda concept cars. They're not production cars for a reason.

And if that's really your image of an S5, that's great. There are some other people who'd rather appreciate the beauty of the car. I don't go around bashing M3's and I'm not in your face telling you that it looks like a whore covered with fat rolls trying to cover it up with a dress. I really can't see how the S5 looks like that either, but whatever. So I'd appreiciate it if you'd stop trying so hard to go out of your way to make such absurd statements about a car that some of us like. We already get the point that you don't like the S5.

RS5

October 21, 2008 11:07 PM

And have you read anything at all about the R8? What do you have to say on that? From what I've read, its really a masterpeice and a marvel of engineering...

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 10:22 AM

RS5 please don't try to rationalise with it. It's just some lowlife crept from the shadows of society, grossly misinformed, uncultured and devoid of style and taste. He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He has never driven a BMW or Audi or any prestigious car. He is just so simple that its easily possible to denote this from what he's said. I only keep responding to what he says because I think its amusing to hear what’s install next for us, I should know better :p . I don't agree with you about the steering on the S5 though. Answer me this, did the S5 you drive have Audi Drive Select? It is a heavenly feature. Comfort mode causes the suspension to soften and the steering to relax (ideal for inner city driving) whilst dynamic mode firms up the suspension which significantly tightening the steering feel, automatic selects what the car feels is best for the current situation. The steering feel in dynamic mode is indeed very tight in this setting, its excellent on the track though and oversteer is absolutely possible with esp off.

RS5

October 22, 2008 2:12 PM

Haha I agree with you. I'm just wasting my time. The one I drove was a 2008 model and didn't come with the drive select which I believe is only optional in 2009 models. Maybe that explains something lol. Still a fantastic car though.

GPKH

October 22, 2008 7:09 PM

RS5: yes I have driven the R8, but just for about 10min and did not push it. I am probably not entitled to make comments, but here it is: What is so special, one of the most uncomfortable cars that I have ever driven, the gears (absolute nightmare), the ride is hgely uncomfortable (it's like it's on triple runflats), you feel caged in - it is definately not a car that I can live with even for an hour. But I guess most of you would disagree. But I think that the M3 is a much better buy. Also the steering of the R8 is so soft that I could turn it with 1 fingure and if you call that a sports car, maybe you should try the M3 M5 and M6. As for the S5, the same story, handling is not as good as BMW's M3, even not as good as a normal 3 Series let alone the 1 Series. It's amazing that you're paying more than double the price for the 1, yet it drives worse. The steering is the same story, can turn it with 1 fingure, feels disjointed, floating on jelly. But yet again, maybe that's personal taste. I know that older people like softer and easier things, but for a guy my age (28), I want some force and feedback. I am not a granny.

xenomorph

October 24, 2008 1:50 PM

I don't like the gears in the manual R8 either, they are not in a straight allignment so its not as easy to flick it in gear, but if you practice with it, it will not be an issue. I can't agree with you on space in the R8, its huge inside, you must have had the seat too far forward and/or be a behemoth, it has similar dimensions to the Gallardo (which is essentially what it is). I found the steering to be very good, you are likely not used to the feel of AWD, its very different to RWD. The R8 feels like its on rails as it goes round the track, I didn't turn off ESP with it though, it wasn't my car and I wasn't going to take chances with a $300,000 car. The Audi Drive Select makes the steering very heavy in the S5 as well, I'm not sure that its really that great with dynamic mode on, it is very, very tight. Apparently this is how the M3 feels?

GPKH

October 24, 2008 11:59 PM

I did play with the drive select. but still, the steering feel wasn't good enough, not much difference on suspension either. And the S5 is nothing like the M3. They are both completely different cars. you should rather compare the S5 to the 335i Coupe. Still the 335i feels nicer, even the interior is more stylish I think with that long stretched trim and that deeply designed dash - makes it so modern and classy.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 2:41 PM

Yes, the S5 does not compete with the M3, they are in different categories, it competes with the 335i. The RS5 will compete with the M3. I don't agree with you about the ADS. You find the 335i’s interior to be nice, I think it’s bland and downmarket, with an unattractive design and a sea of orange lights. The aesthetics and craftsmanship are not on par with that of the S5 though. That’s clearly obvious.

Audi_fan

October 20, 2008 1:59 PM

a bmw fan calls an audi pointles??? are you kidding me? what about the X6 is totally pointless, just to make a profit, the X1, the other thing they are going to produce i don't know what it's called....a X6-like rear end to make it easier to understand...what else? the X5/6 M editions they said to produce are absolutely pointless compared to a M3 CSL... somebody commented that the S5 convertible is killing the image that RS' models and R8 produced...can anyone tell me why? is it bad for a car maker to produce a 4 seater convertible with loads of power? thanks for your time :P

GPKH

October 21, 2008 12:55 AM

because all Audi's are pointless when BMW is around. especially when it started to copy BMW and be like BMW but failed miserably. The x6 is not pointless, it's for individuals that stands out in the crowd, I guess it's not for you. The fact that you're attracted to an Audi - understated inferior VW thing means that you are just one of those, not "THE ONE" Get it? You should watch out for the rear of that X6, it might knock you down when you walk pass it and get reversed into. But then again no one would notice maybe... The fact is that the world can be without VW's audi, but the waorld cannot live without BMW!

RS5

October 21, 2008 1:09 AM

The world can certainly do without ugly peices of $hit like the X6, X3, that PAS whatever, 7 series, 1 series haha I can basically name all the cars in the BMW lineup with the exception of the 3,5 and X5. I know you're an engineer and all that but BMWs are getting uglier by the moment. And what do you have to make of the R8?

"same old LED line"...obviously you've never seen one in real life, you can hardly ignore the visual effect. And they haven't been around that long so you can't call them "old". And you're just jealous that BMW hadn't done it before Audi. You think all Audi's look alike? Same can be applied to BMWs.

So stop bashing Audis and their fans; you obviously don't know what you're talking about. end of discussion.

Audinator

October 21, 2008 2:03 AM

All X series are really piece os $HITS. The X6 is the copy of the sang yong actyon (if you dont know it see it in google) which is RUBBISH, the X1 is 2mm shorter than the X3, and I bet there will be a X2 which be 1mm longer than the X1. Same $hits of BMW suvs and ldiots like GPKH say A5, S5 and R8 are pointless???

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:26 AM

as a matter of fact, I can ignore an Audi LED line trying to stand out - AFTER BMW CAME UP WITH THE HIGHLY ORIGINAL CORONA RINGS THAT STAND OUT SO MUCH BETTER AT NIGHT. As a matter of fact the LED line effect was copied from Kia and Mazda's concept vehicles a few years back. It's funny how Audi has the same light signature as Mazda and Kia seeing that they are also producing cars with this LED line. The good thing is that when the laws in Europe require LED to be used in the near future, BMW will have LED corona rings and not two stupid lines in front of the car tat looks like worms. Also if BMW's cars are so pointless, why do they sell more than double that of audi? The X5 sells more than double the volume of that ugly Q7 bus, The 3 sells almost three times as many as the a4/A5. And I'm talking about worldwide sales, don't come iwth your regional sales story. It's because people in this market segment is generally upperclass and society and they are not stupid to know that Audi is basically a VW, why pay BMW price and still get a VW? Rather go for the best. Now whic car is pointless. The entire hype about Audi is that they are coming up with cars that people wouldn't think they can like the RS4, RS6 and all these. Bear in mind that a few years back people would have thought of Audi as a cnservative brand. But the fact is that although they are coming with these so called "sporty cars" (well, we all know how poorly they handle, basically just a big engine and some bodyparts)these cars are no-where near the perfection from BMW's M division. Even Audi's normal road cars have uped the game, but that's all. It's an unexpected achievement from Audi, however, it's not to an extent that it's a replacementfor BMW's superiority. Once a pig always a pig - likewise, once a VW, always a VW. That's why clever people still choose BMW. You can choose an Audi, but most people are disspointed and go back to BMW after their experience. It's a massive improvement from Audi's side, but not so much that they take the crown. as a matter of fact, they are still miles behind BMW's huge sexy X6 ass. - oops, they might copy that as well, but they would need to make another VW with that so that they can interchange the badge and see at higher cost to the audi fools

Audi_fan

October 21, 2008 2:05 PM

huge sexy X6 ass. - oops, they might copy that as well when the hell did audi copy something from BMW?

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 2:08 PM

Well its clear that GPKH obviously feels so threatened by Audi's products that he's trying to make his cars sound better than they really are by degrading all others. I'm pleased to see that almost everyone can see this as well. He could even be on drugs with the dillusional status of his posts, not only are they absolutely incorrect, they are no less than absurd, its the only rational explanation I can come to terms with for dealing with him.

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:21 PM

TO AUDI FAN - HAVE YOU BEEN SLEEPING THE PAST 5 YEARS? iDrive, BMW designs, BMW lights (LED rear lights, light tubes - look at the A3 convert), rear wheel drive by making they quattro system 60% to rear to get the driving dynamics of a BMW, and a host of other technologies. and just you wait, they'll copy the X6 as well, like they did with the Q7 - tried to copy the X5 but masde a complete mess of it, Q5 copy of X3. you see they jut see if BMW is successful in these new market segments and as soon as they are, they copy and join in the fun. AUDI IS THE COPY CATS IN GERMANY, LIKE THE CAR MAKERS IN CHINA. THEY ARE NO BETTER. As a customer, I choose to buy something superior and original and has no cheap brand quality like VW attached to it

RS5

October 22, 2008 3:18 AM

In what way does a Q7 copy an X5. If anything, Mercedes had the original idea for a midsize luxury SUV with the M class. It was so popular that BMW came out with the X5. And just because Audi came out with the Q7 doesn't mean that it copied the X5, unless of course you're so ignorant and in denial that you think every car produced by Audi is somehow a copy of a BMW, which seems to be the case.Just because Audi produces cars with four wheels, windows, an engine, red lights, clear lights and a leather interior does not mean that it copies BMW.Unfortuantely, you have much trouble understanding that. You're so desparate in trying to bash Audi that you come up with the most ridiculous statments. Who cares if Audi has VW engineering. It's not like VW makes cars that are so terribly engineered that nobody buys them. And that's not even the case; Audi has its own group of engineers who specialize in Audis, not VWs. Of course you don't care because all that's in you mind is how apparantley Audi copied BMW in everything it did. That's just absurd.

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 11:02 AM

I can sympathise with your efforts on this forum GPKH. If there was another premium product in the automotive industry as powerful and successful as Audi I would be worried too.

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 11:09 AM

Do remember RS5 that Audi will soon be bought by Porsche, they have expressed great interest in purchasing the company and for good reason. But after all, its still a VW. As is GPKH an intellect.

GPKH

October 22, 2008 7:02 PM

xenomorph: Just to put the facts straight... Audi si the smallest of the top 3 German premium luxury car. In actual fact, many countries do not consider Audi as premium. FYI it's BMW, then Merc , then Audi. So I don't know what you're talking about when you say another car brand more powerful than Audi - maybe you were talking about their resouces i.e. VW as parent company. Decondly, there's a difference between being a parent company (when you have conrol of the financial and operational decision making) and merely just being an investor. There are millions of investors out there and if you followed the news, Porsche is currently merely just an investor to try to dversify their operating risks in such a prestigous market- thet is purely a business decision. They currently have no say in Audi at the moment. In actual fact, even porsche thinks that VW and Audi should split because Audi is currently just another VW. So get the facts straight before you talk.

xenomorph

October 24, 2008 1:57 PM

Well you seem unrelentingly certain that Audi is a VW which it isn't save for the A3/Golf and Q7/Toureg/Cayenne. And yes Porsche apparently wants to split Audi completely from VW to keep for itself to increase parts sharing between them. Also, you can't not acknowlede the accolades Audi has been achieving year after year, I could literally fill pages up with all the awards thay have won, however they are the most successful car company in the World Car of The Year awards and FYI, they have achieved World Performance Car of the year twice. BMW have not ever achieved that. Ironic isn't it?

xarlyn

October 20, 2008 10:10 PM

Audi... always the same is too boring!!

GPKH

October 21, 2008 12:58 AM

Exactly, same old copy cat story, same old ugly front grille (FOREVER OPEN FISH MOUTH), same old LED line with no taste, same old VW cars that handle poorly. They can put RS this and that and put a huge engine in their cars, but what's a car if it handles like a truck. RUBBISH!

Audinator

October 21, 2008 2:08 AM

Xarlyn... always the same stupid useless comment!!!

And again, GPKH, YOU ARE BIGGEST ASSSHOLE I HAVE HEARD IN MY LIFE!!!!!

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 2:11 PM

Thats the understatement of the century. ^

wisp

October 21, 2008 9:06 AM

Xenomorph, you are a ret@rd - admit it.

xenomorph

October 21, 2008 1:36 PM

No I'm just well informed and correct. I won't hesitate to correct someone when they are wrong. Its fine to have an opinion as long as it is a correct opinion or neutral one however if its wrong, I will help relieve the poster of their ignorance. In many cases that poster is you.

GPKH

October 21, 2008 10:16 PM

HAHA, "WELL INFORMED" TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT AUDI IS JUST ANOTHER VW, THAT AUDI IS TRYING TO BE LIKE BMW BUT FAILING MISERABLY, THAT AUDI'S REALIABILITY AND QUALITY PROBLEMS ARE NOW CLEARLY SHOWN IN RECENT QUALITY SURVEYS AROUND THE WORLD. IT'S A PITY THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW OR ARE CONSTANTLY IN DENIAL. BY THE WAY, WHICH VW DO YOU DRIVE?

RS5

October 21, 2008 11:10 PM

Oh yea Audi's trying to be like BMW just because it produces cars with four wheels, windows and an engine. I wonder what you'd say about an Audi with RWD. It's copying BMW because BMWs have RWDs? Your analogy about the 40/60 quattro's just absurd.

And what do you have against VWs? They dont' make $hit cars.

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 10:52 AM

Oh yes GPKH, you are so well informed, please teach me all your valuable information. You're a real asset to the automotive community. I've learnt things from you that I didn't think were humanly possible, mostly in regards to intellect.

xenomorph

October 22, 2008 1:14 PM

My favourite was the one about how because bmw use flower patterns on their cars to camouflage test mules, it indicates they are of higher quality.

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:10 PM

Here's a summary of the JD Power Report for you GPKH. It is from the JD Power website.

For the midsize premium category, the BMW 5 series was the LOWEST in its class (out of 9) and the A6 was ranked 4th, after the Mercedes E class, the Infiniti M and the Lexus GS.

For the entry premium category, the A4 ranked 6th. The 3 series and the X3 ranked 11th and 14th out of 17.

For the large premium category, the 7 series ranked LAST compared to the Jag XJ, Mercedes S, Cadillac DTS and Lexus LS

For the midsize premium multi-activity category, the Q7 scored 2 ranks above the X5.

These are FACTS GPKH. Go to the website. I don't know where you 're getting your information from, but I can only make 2 conclusions. Firstly, you're spewing $hit about JD Power rankings, making them up. Secondly, you're just plain wrong about BMW's apparent quality superiority over Audi's. Or maybe JD Power's just not good enough for you.

The information I gave you are facts, not a delusionally emotional rant about how Audis are simply better in quality than BMWs, which is also true. Now GPKH stop making up 'facts' to your liking. It just doesn't make you look smart.

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:14 PM

Just to add to that statement, Audi is 9 ranks overall higher than BMW

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:16 PM

in quality by brand I meant

Quattr0

October 22, 2008 2:11 PM

Because it may look like some bmw doesnt mean they made it to look like that :S Do you think designers from audi didnt know what to design and therefor took over the bmw styling? Wtf is that for a seriosly unreal idea? Go look at chinese cars. German manufacturers dont need to steal. DONT look for similarities that arent meant to be weirdos.

frickxion

October 22, 2008 6:30 PM

Well guys, cool it. Its just a car. It dosent matter who's right or who's wrong. Let's all just respect each others liking and take a step back. All this deliberation is not getting anywhere I am certain. BMW, AUDI, MERC etc, they are all great cars. One man's meat is another man's poison. Let's all take a step back and enjoy our surf through this webby.

They are all blardee beauties in my opinion. Please, lets all respect each others opinion here, I guess there are greater things to argue in life about at the current state of our world economy!

:)

Audinator

October 23, 2008 4:00 AM

Face it, BMW is a $hit compared to Audis.

GPKH

October 25, 2008 12:07 AM

Audinator: Is that the reason why in the US BMW sells more than 10 times the volume of Audi, that in most countries, Audi's are priced below BMW and even some to an extent that the are just $1000 above VW? Or is audi so good according to you becasue it uses VW parts and are able to benefit from economies of scale to post better profits per unit? The fact is the BMW is the no.1 luxury car maker in the world and most people choose BMW, not this VW thing. That's also because BMW is an independent company, BMW is best and top at what it does, stands for excellence.... audi??? well, i'd say understated, soft, conservative, shy, introvert, lack of confidence - why? because it's just not good enough.

xenomorph

October 25, 2008 3:26 PM

Oh yes America is the centre of the universe. Fortunately there is an entire world out there where style and sophistication is still in play. And if you look at other markets such as Europe and in particular China Audi is a key candidate. In China they sell more cars than Mercedes and BMW put together. Seeing as China is an emerging market that will soon overtake the US in terms of car sales, this is a strong foothold for the brand. I would say that all car sales will drop in the US shortly because of their economic turmoil, brought about by the gluttonous overspending of its inhabitants. Here's the real deal with brand images as well BMW, apparently sporty, often associated with ostentatious, arrogant, ignorant people (clearly someone on these forums), basic quality, overtly unattractive and above all common(they are generally a car that is bought by common, tasteless people). Audi is a premium, exclusive, sporty, progressive brand which is associated with the finer things in life (Bang and Olufsen, the arts, motorsport and high culture), high quality, cutting edge technology and uncompromising design. BMWs have become ubiquitous, they have lost any exclusivity they one had and are now just, “another car” so to speak, bought by the masses. People are realising though, BMW just aren’t offering a premium product anymore which is why they are turning to brands such as Audi, the benchmark.

RS5

October 27, 2008 3:33 AM

Well said, couldn't have worded it better. ^

RS5

October 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Just to add to that, Audi is 9 ranks overall higher than BMW

GPKH

October 25, 2008 12:00 AM

in haveing more problems per 100 cars

Audinator

October 26, 2008 12:46 AM

GPKH you are a stupid, a$$hole, s0n of a beach, and there are also many things more than I want to add to that list. Go to HELL!!!! And again, BMW is a $hit compared to Audi!!!

RS5

October 26, 2008 5:00 AM

GPKH, since you seem to like to prefer seeing things only you want to see, I will post this again for your reference. You can choose to ignore it all you want, but these facts are still facts no matter how much you choose to ignore them. Does your love for BMW blind you from seeing JD Power reports that blatantly state that most Audi models have higher overall quality than their BMW counterparts??

Here's a summary of the JD Power Report for you GPKH. It is from the JD Power website. For the midsize premium category, the BMW 5 series was the LOWEST in its class (out of 9) and the A6 was ranked 4th, after the Mercedes E class, the Infiniti M and the Lexus GS.

For the entry premium category, the A4 ranked 6th. The 3 series and the X3 ranked 11th and 14th out of 17.

For the large premium category, the 7 series ranked LAST compared to the Jag XJ, Mercedes S, Cadillac DTS and Lexus LS

For the midsize premium multi-activity category, the Q7 scored 2 ranks above the X5.

Once again, you can choose to ignore this and rant on about how much BMW cars are apparantely better in quality than Audis, but the fact of the matter is that you are wrong. You can verify my FACTS by going on the JD Power website.