Audi S5 Convertible Finally Spied in the Open

ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE COMMENTING ON THE AUDI, DON'T BE MISTAKEN, THIS IS NO LONGER THE BMW 7 SERIES PAGE THET YOU WERE LOOKING AT A FEW SEC AGO. THIS IS AN AUDI PAGE WHERE THEY JUST CHOPPED OFF THE TOP OF THE S5/A5 AND TRIED TO MAKE A CONVERTIBLE - EXPECTING PEOPLE TO SAY WOW. IF YOUR COMMENT WAS INTENDED HERE, WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT THIS SLOPPY FAT FISH IS GORGEOUS? TO SAY THE LEAST, NOT ONLY IS IT UGLY, BUT IT'S BORING

It sounds like its the perfect car for you then!

The only reason that they are unsure of the 4.2L V8 is that some sources are saying that the S5 will recieve the 3.0L supercharged V6 that is being used in the B8 S4 in the near future. The only info I have heard relating to that is that it will recieve the V6 supercharged engine when the car is facelifted. Some may be pleased with this while others may not be. Although the 3.0L TFSI V6 gives the same performance and reduced fuel consumption, a V8 engine has a special feel to it whether its driveing or listnening to one go by. I've driven a few S5s, manual and tiptronic, (manual is so much better) and the feeling of the V8 is just excellent. I'm not sure the V6 TFSI will give the same feeling, but we can only wait and see, anything else said is just speculation, it may be an amazing engine.

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Yeah i was just going to say that looks more like an audi S4 cabrio with the new headlights and tailights they put in for 2009.

new a4 has different headlights. this one is missing the little step in the headlights so it's clearly s5.

evo82's just plain right.

Probably going to dump the A4 cabrio.

LOL They can and have to design beautiful models beacause the original design comes from BMW :) They did not invent anything new in terms of design with the A5. You just have to admit that the were inspired by the e92 when they designed the A5. Look at the rear lights!

agree to that. this thing looks like the e92 from those rear overhead shots. the a4 has the 3 series side surfaces too. good attempt but not enough to take bmw's crown

No, you are both incorrect, the A5 and S5 draw their inspiration from the Nuvolari quattro concept that was first shown to the public in 2002/2003 at the Geneva motorshow. That was well before the e92 bmw came out. So in actual fact bmw copied Audi. Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

bmw copied audi! ha ha ha.. never happens my friend. bring on the rs4 or rs watever.. m is in a diff league...

Ha ha ha, it did happen, look at the Nuvolari quattro concept like I said, it came out many years before the e92. Besides, the design of the A5/S5 is far superior compared to the common 3 series coupe. And bmw is not in a different league, what planet have you been on for the last few years. RS models are better than M products though. The new RS 5 will be unquestionable. Though I doubt you have or will ever drive any of these cars.

right so everyone on this forum should be able to drive all the cars possible isnt it? smart. all the rs' look the part but has never beaten an m. the brand new rs6 lost out to a c63 in a straight line. the m3 and m5 are class leaders. its a fact. whatever crap you can say is not gonna change that.

Where did you read that the RS6 lost out to a C63 in a straight line. They haven't even done tests with the RS6 saloon if that's what you're talking about, and if you're talking about the RS6 Avant, obviously a much lighter sedan with 451hp would probably get faster times. the RS6 relies only on brute force seemingly.

A4 has BMW 3 series sides? The A5 looks like a 3 series? I guess you're right. They have black tires, alloy rims, oh and shiny transparent windows too! Amazingly enough they both even have headlamps, taillamps, shiny exhaust pipes, doors and even engines! I've never seen such ignorance and claims that can't even be backed up with evidence. The Audi and BMWs have completely different character lines, window layouts, wheel arches...Call me an Audi fanboy. That doesn't make any of you much less BMW fanboys.

whatever. im talkin abt the rs6 avant and the c63 estate.. see for yourself - http://www.germancarblog.com/2008/09/audi-rs6-video-comparison-against.html

Don't worry RS5 he's just your average BMW fanboy, never driven any of the cars and above all poorly informed in all regards to cars. He's clearly dillusional but lets just leave him to float in his own ignorance... we know better. Besides, the root of this argument was that Audi copied bmws styling and as I have said again and again, all of Audi's current models draw their inspiration from the Nuvolari quattro concept which was unveiled at the Geneva motorshow in 2002. If you look at that car you will surely see the error of you judgement.

watched the video where the rs6 gets owned by the c63 yet? hey you know what we should stop arguing. its funny to see us adults talk like . not everyone here has the chance to even drive or see any of the great cars that we have here and pickin on tat is just retarded. im no car scientist and pretty sure most of you guys arent as well. so keep it real. i used to like audis a long time ago. but i dont anymore. i think they look borin esp the a6 and tats my opinion. they should have left the design at the a8 which i think is a very respected car. oh n i had the pleasure of being in and m3 and its just a marvel but its stupid when all you audi fans think its crap when there are professional drivers out there praising it. if you dont like its looks just say that. audi and bmw 'fanboys' are gonna be at war for ever. lets atleast take a step towards cooperation! ha ha.

I'd like you to take note that I have never said that a BMW or any other car is a bad car out of a whim. If a survey says so then I have quoted the facts but yes, otherwise they are great cars. You see, the main reason we are having such discussions is that some people are grossly misinformed. I'm merely just trying to inform them and put them back on track with the facts.

Found some German sources saying it's gonna get the detuned 4.2 V8 FSI. Also found this, artists impression of a 2010 A3: http://www.speedheads.de/auto/zukunft/bilder/audi_a3_2010-3787-46.jpg

The S5 was voted #6 or 7 of Car and Driver's 2008's Top 10 Most Beautiful Cars along with the R8. The designer of the car Walter Da Silva called it the most beautiful car he had ever penned. The S5 was built ground up on an A4 platform, VW has nothing to do with it. Of course everyone has his opinion, but you're just a dumbass spewing $hit who claims to be an engineer but has no damn idea what he's talking about. And BMW's not the only damn company that produces convertibles. I hate it when people say Audi is a VW. So that means that Bentley, Porsche, Bugatti and Lamborghini are all VWs too. Bull$hit.

Its such a shame that bmw seems to attract the degenerates of society. If it wasn't for them I think the brand would be much better for it. This so called engineer (obviously a massive failure at best) seems to think he knows all aspects of the car even though it hasn't been released to anyone. And making assumptions based on styling from a low quality picture is just pathetic. I doubt he's ever seen one of these cars in real life, let alone driven one. It is definitely one of the most beautiful cars currently in production (coupe) and I have no doubt that the cabriolet will be just as striking. As for handling etc to make judgements is just ridiculous. I've driven the coupe and it is magnificent to drive (manual is so much better than tiptronic in my opinion). To say something like Audi and VW are the same just shows the most absolute form of ignorance. The only cars that have similar attributes are the A3 and Golf, and really, who cares about the A3. I'd hate to see anything designed by this so called engineer, probably works on the latest in public toilet design, seeing as the quality of everything he has to say is pure crap.

xenomorph: you seem to know everything of the actual auto production, that is a pleasure but we can not talk with you because if smbdy does not agree with you, he is wrong... do not be frustrated if you can not afford a bmw my friend you can continue to dream on your beautiful bmw inspired audi^^

To; RS5: well, whether it is beautiful or not cannot be judged by the mere fact that the people who designed the car called it "the most beautiful car he's ever penned" - EVERY SINGLE DESIGNER SAYS THAT AND COME WITH A LOAD OF RUBBISH BEHIND THEIR DESIGNS. EVEN THE DESIGNER OR THE OLD 7 SERIES SAID THAT IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S THE DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE FUTURE. Now are you also going say i's beautiful because he said that??? Secondly, your so called most beautiful cars in the world is extremely subjective, especially that Car and drivers' magazine that's well known for their association with the VW Group. In actual fact, most people worldwide would take the 3 Series derivatives over any audi A4/A5. check the othermagazines and sales figures. What most people tend to say when they compare the two coupe are that BMW just shines naturally whereas Audi tried to copy BMW and overdid it with too much design and unnecessary bulges. Most people also commented that the rear of the a4 and A5 was an area of tremendous weakness in design. Thirdly, regarding engineering: I cannot help that you are sick of hearing people say Audi is a VW, however if you do not like that fact, then maybe Adui is not for you. Strip an audi and a VW and you'll see the immense similarity. compare the parts and components and you'll see that most of them have 4 badges printed on them: VW, Skoda, Seat and Audi. And I am sorry to say that those of you who are stupid enough to pay premium prices for an Audi is merely buying nothing but a VW - don't make that mistake again if you are clever. and Lastly, compare the chassis, braking, information systems and quality of a BMW and Audi and you'll see just how advanced BMW's products are. I would say BMW is ahead of Audi for at least 5 years in terms of technological advancements. How could that happen, you might wonder seeing that they are both in the German Car industry - well, it's not becasue Audi cannot produce that, they don't want to as a cost cutting measure, they must consider the production of VW when makeing an Audi or else it would just cost too much. Hence the higher profit per unit on each Audi sold. PS: something that might look beautiful to you on the outside might not beautiful to everyone. Yes, this Audi convertible is good for an Audi, but if it was a BMW, it would have been unacceptable to its superior standards. Also remember that this thing might look good to you on the outside, but it is just not good looking form an engineering design perspective - too little effort put into soomething that has immence potential. That's why BMW is always no.1

I'm not an engineer so I can't refute your argument about the Audi's chassis, brakes etc. But I don't see a problem with Audis being VW engineered. VW has done cars like the Phaeton and Touraeg; both are not cheap cars. I have driven an S5 and it's a fantastic car. The exhausts, the top notch interior, the 6M transmission, those LED's...I can't think of a better package for that price. And every single road test of an R8 proudly proclaimed it to be the epitome of a supercar. Think about the awards it won and all the praise it got. Obviusly modern engineering had something to do with it. Honestly, I don't really care about what's underneath a car. Yes that may be a problem, but as long as a car doesn't fall apart after a couple thousand miles, drives well and looks as good as it drives, I'm fine with it. I also do admit that the A4 and A5's rear end could've been better in many ways; those taillamps arent' the best I've seen from Audi. But the rest of the car is too good that those details can be ignored, at least in my opinion. Another thing, there's an 8 month waiting list for an S5. Says something about what general concensus has about the car. People pay premium prices for a reason too. Audi has won multiple awards for the quality of its interiors. And obviously Audi's not just merely stripping a VW of its badges and replacing them with four rings. Audi cars look much nicer than VWs in my opinion and deserve their exclusivity.

Its interesting that while Audi has better quality and reliability than BMWs, its still "5 years behind Audi". I base my argument on facts, not rediculous opinions and nonsense. Look at the latest surveys for quality and reliability... if you dare, you may have a heart attack seriously! GPKH please tell me what you are saying isn't serious, you are an isult to the automobile itself if you are. Heres something else that you should be advised of watching as well, heart attack alert!!! http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Twoegah1-1U Remember, "the Audi is 5 years behind the BMW". Its in German but all you need is to watch the results. The main lesson to take away from this though is, think before you post garbage, its really an insult to the automotive community doing what you are, if I saw an Audi fan doing what you are I would be ashamed and point them out. I'm sure that a true BMW fan would be ashamed of you too.

xenomorph: Clearly, you are an outright Audi fan that's blinded by the VW badge. That's what I gather from your other comments made on this site. Just to reply yo your comments made to me: Firstly, I made my comments based on real facts and experience from a wide bsae. don't come and tell me to look at the surveys when you base your Audi reliability and quality theory on little videos made to entertain people. Get your hands on the past 10 years' JD Power surveys which tells you how many problems per new vehicles - Audi comes no where near the top - in fact, they are just a few places above VW and Fiat. The winners are Honda, Merc and BMW throughout the past 10 years. Furthermore, look at surveys conducted on older vehicles (2 - 5 years) once again BMW Merc and Honda and Toyota comesout tops. Audi is yet again near the bottom half of the list, with some years performing poorer than VW. If you look at the quality surverys done around the world, you would have seen the BMW is a far more superior car than Audi - the latest reliability survey was from SA where they awarded the top 3 cars in each segment for reliability - not a single Audi came up - Merc was the winner followed by BMW, Further more, BMW offers more than twice the period of warranty than audi in most countries. Even the VW Group itself knows that their quality is not as good as BMW, not willing to compete with longer warranty periods - who areyou to come argue with me ad the rest of the world that Audi is more reliable than BMW. On a more subjective tone, when you sit in an audi, yes, it's neat and stuff,but there's no style, you feel like you're in an office. when you sit in a BMW, you feel the style and design and luxury, just like at home.- that's a quote from a foreign magazine when testing the A4 and 3 Series. That just shows that Audi's incredibly boring interior is starting get stale to most people and you can sit in your office and drive a poorly engineered car while I'll drive a superiorly deisgned, original, perfectly engineered masterpiece and pass you comfortably on a twisty mountain curve. PS don't drive too fast aound those roads, your Audi handling might just throw you into the barrier. Peace out!

Just another pointer about audi's cost cutting measures and VW standards: they are so bloody cheap that they use cut open rubbish bags to hide their car stuck on with tape... compare that to BMW's real stuck to body tape with flower patterns to cover up designs.... just shows you that BMW soes everything perfectly whereas Audi just think of the cheapest way to cut cost and they are happy as long as it's up t VW standards, well who blames them. Afterall, it's nothing buta cheap little VW... only fools get fooled to pay premium for one...

THIS IS A PLACE FOR AUDI FANS, I DUNNO WHY !DIOTS LIKE YOU ALWAYS COME HERE TO SAY HOW BEAUTIFUL BMW´s ARE. YOU ARE WRONG YOU PIG!!!!

Yes, but I was not talking about the bumper, I was talking about the top area of the rear, where the top folds down. Bumper has no significance here

Agree with you BRO!!!!

"S5 would suit women more than men and an M3", comments like that are the main reason I will post something back to point out an idiot. Honestly what kind of a thing to say is that. The S5 is no ladies car, if you see one its got a very masculine design, at the front especially. The M3 actually looks more petite and feminine with the kidney grills etc. However I couln't see a women driving either of those cars (no offence to any girls), they are generally manual though (M3 and S5) and generally attract car enthusiasts, who are usually men. The 3 series and A5 are more suited to women, if you can really say that.

Here in France, we have to wait for about 6 months for a M3 and about 4 months for a M5. 3 or for for a 335i.

peamouse saw your comment above to me, "if you can not afford a bmw my friend you can continue to dream on your beautiful bmw inspired audi" one word for you.... moron. I actually own an Audi so I don't need your bavarian filth thanks. Ps Audi's are generally more expensive compared to bmws, which is unfortunate in my opinion.

xenomorph my friend. firstly the m3 is in a diff class to the s5. please dont compare them. secondly both the a4 and s5 look like lil girls with led makeups. im not kiddin. i can only hope the rs models of both look decent enough. and the funniest thing is i saw a c63, an is-f, a m3 sedan and a last gen rs4 recently and they were all driven by women! ha ha.

Xeno: I actually own a 335d, give me an engine rivalizing with it in Audi's models plz. Moron ^^

"M3 is on steroids" The S5 has the widest body in it's class for improved handling. Yes, wider than an M3. Go look up the dimensions and see if I'm wrong. And how the hell is an S5 a lady's car. I dont' know that many ladies who can drive stick and handle the V8. You are obviously saying that to degrade us men who like the S5. Go on an S5 forum. You won't see any women there.

And I dont' understand how your convertible theory applies. why does it make sense to have a 335 cabrio but not an S5 cabrio? And the S5 is not compared to an M3, rather a 335xi. M3 is too much car for the S5, if that's what you meant by your steroids and women comment. that's like saying a 335 is a woman's car.

Yes RS5 is correct, I didnt mean to sound like the S5 is an M3 competitor. It clearly is not. That will be the RS5. And at michelin, I think its good that more women are driving high performance cars, does that make them girly cars though just because you have seen more women driving them?

S5 AND A5 DOES REALLY SUIT WOMEN AND MORE WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO THEM. IT IS A KNOWN FACT, GO CHECK THE SALES FIGURES. 96% OF M3 DRIVERS AND OWNERS ARE MEN, WHILE 74% OF S5 DRIVERS ARE MEN. SO YOU TELL ME, WHICH IS WHICH. ALSO WHEN YOU COMPARE THE M3 AND THE S5, THE S5 IS LIKE A LITTLE GIRL WITH THESE SWEEPING LINES AND GIRLY FUSSY UGLY FACE. THE M3 IS FOR MEN, IT'S GOT REAL MUSCULAR DESIGN, STRONG FRON WITH SHARP EYES (CORONOA RINGS). M3 MEANS BUSINESS WHILE THE S5 WANT TO SLUT AROUND WITH A WIDE DRESS TO COVER ITS FAT ROLLS - JUST LIKE SILLY UGLY GIRLS. not to mention that the s5 drives like $hit.

I don't even know where you got your sales figures from, but 74% men is still a majority which means that more men are attracted. Think about that for a while so your simple mind can absorb that information. And you obviously haven't driven an S5. Every SINGLE review talks about its good handling, save for the slightly unresponsive steering. M3 has muscular design? It's narrower than an S5. The S5 has the widest body in its class. And that doesn't make it fat either. Why do you think most supercars have wide bodies? And Corona whatevers arent' even that visible in daylight. LEDs really stand out and if you think the corona rings stand out more, you're either blind or in denial because Audi actually incorporated the idea into a production car first. Never mind Kia and Mazda concept cars. They're not production cars for a reason. And if that's really your image of an S5, that's great. There are some other people who'd rather appreciate the beauty of the car. I don't go around bashing M3's and I'm not in your face telling you that it looks like a whore covered with fat rolls trying to cover it up with a dress. I really can't see how the S5 looks like that either, but whatever. So I'd appreiciate it if you'd stop trying so hard to go out of your way to make such absurd statements about a car that some of us like. We already get the point that you don't like the S5.

And have you read anything at all about the R8? What do you have to say on that? From what I've read, its really a masterpeice and a marvel of engineering...

RS5 please don't try to rationalise with it. It's just some lowlife crept from the shadows of society, grossly misinformed, uncultured and devoid of style and taste. He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He has never driven a BMW or Audi or any prestigious car. He is just so simple that its easily possible to denote this from what he's said. I only keep responding to what he says because I think its amusing to hear what’s install next for us, I should know better :p . I don't agree with you about the steering on the S5 though. Answer me this, did the S5 you drive have Audi Drive Select? It is a heavenly feature. Comfort mode causes the suspension to soften and the steering to relax (ideal for inner city driving) whilst dynamic mode firms up the suspension which significantly tightening the steering feel, automatic selects what the car feels is best for the current situation. The steering feel in dynamic mode is indeed very tight in this setting, its excellent on the track though and oversteer is absolutely possible with esp off.

Haha I agree with you. I'm just wasting my time. The one I drove was a 2008 model and didn't come with the drive select which I believe is only optional in 2009 models. Maybe that explains something lol. Still a fantastic car though.

RS5: yes I have driven the R8, but just for about 10min and did not push it. I am probably not entitled to make comments, but here it is: What is so special, one of the most uncomfortable cars that I have ever driven, the gears (absolute nightmare), the ride is hgely uncomfortable (it's like it's on triple runflats), you feel caged in - it is definately not a car that I can live with even for an hour. But I guess most of you would disagree. But I think that the M3 is a much better buy. Also the steering of the R8 is so soft that I could turn it with 1 fingure and if you call that a sports car, maybe you should try the M3 M5 and M6. As for the S5, the same story, handling is not as good as BMW's M3, even not as good as a normal 3 Series let alone the 1 Series. It's amazing that you're paying more than double the price for the 1, yet it drives worse. The steering is the same story, can turn it with 1 fingure, feels disjointed, floating on jelly. But yet again, maybe that's personal taste. I know that older people like softer and easier things, but for a guy my age (28), I want some force and feedback. I am not a granny.

I don't like the gears in the manual R8 either, they are not in a straight allignment so its not as easy to flick it in gear, but if you practice with it, it will not be an issue. I can't agree with you on space in the R8, its huge inside, you must have had the seat too far forward and/or be a behemoth, it has similar dimensions to the Gallardo (which is essentially what it is). I found the steering to be very good, you are likely not used to the feel of AWD, its very different to RWD. The R8 feels like its on rails as it goes round the track, I didn't turn off ESP with it though, it wasn't my car and I wasn't going to take chances with a $300,000 car. The Audi Drive Select makes the steering very heavy in the S5 as well, I'm not sure that its really that great with dynamic mode on, it is very, very tight. Apparently this is how the M3 feels?

I did play with the drive select. but still, the steering feel wasn't good enough, not much difference on suspension either. And the S5 is nothing like the M3. They are both completely different cars. you should rather compare the S5 to the 335i Coupe. Still the 335i feels nicer, even the interior is more stylish I think with that long stretched trim and that deeply designed dash - makes it so modern and classy.

Yes, the S5 does not compete with the M3, they are in different categories, it competes with the 335i. The RS5 will compete with the M3. I don't agree with you about the ADS. You find the 335i’s interior to be nice, I think it’s bland and downmarket, with an unattractive design and a sea of orange lights. The aesthetics and craftsmanship are not on par with that of the S5 though. That’s clearly obvious.

because all Audi's are pointless when BMW is around. especially when it started to copy BMW and be like BMW but failed miserably. The x6 is not pointless, it's for individuals that stands out in the crowd, I guess it's not for you. The fact that you're attracted to an Audi - understated inferior VW thing means that you are just one of those, not "THE ONE" Get it? You should watch out for the rear of that X6, it might knock you down when you walk pass it and get reversed into. But then again no one would notice maybe... The fact is that the world can be without VW's audi, but the waorld cannot live without BMW!

The world can certainly do without ugly peices of $hit like the X6, X3, that PAS whatever, 7 series, 1 series haha I can basically name all the cars in the BMW lineup with the exception of the 3,5 and X5. I know you're an engineer and all that but BMWs are getting uglier by the moment. And what do you have to make of the R8? "same old LED line"...obviously you've never seen one in real life, you can hardly ignore the visual effect. And they haven't been around that long so you can't call them "old". And you're just jealous that BMW hadn't done it before Audi. You think all Audi's look alike? Same can be applied to BMWs. So stop bashing Audis and their fans; you obviously don't know what you're talking about. end of discussion.

All X series are really piece os $HITS. The X6 is the copy of the sang yong actyon (if you dont know it see it in google) which is RUBBISH, the X1 is 2mm shorter than the X3, and I bet there will be a X2 which be 1mm longer than the X1. Same $hits of BMW suvs and ldiots like GPKH say A5, S5 and R8 are pointless???

as a matter of fact, I can ignore an Audi LED line trying to stand out - AFTER BMW CAME UP WITH THE HIGHLY ORIGINAL CORONA RINGS THAT STAND OUT SO MUCH BETTER AT NIGHT. As a matter of fact the LED line effect was copied from Kia and Mazda's concept vehicles a few years back. It's funny how Audi has the same light signature as Mazda and Kia seeing that they are also producing cars with this LED line. The good thing is that when the laws in Europe require LED to be used in the near future, BMW will have LED corona rings and not two stupid lines in front of the car tat looks like worms. Also if BMW's cars are so pointless, why do they sell more than double that of audi? The X5 sells more than double the volume of that ugly Q7 bus, The 3 sells almost three times as many as the a4/A5. And I'm talking about worldwide sales, don't come iwth your regional sales story. It's because people in this market segment is generally upperclass and society and they are not stupid to know that Audi is basically a VW, why pay BMW price and still get a VW? Rather go for the best. Now whic car is pointless. The entire hype about Audi is that they are coming up with cars that people wouldn't think they can like the RS4, RS6 and all these. Bear in mind that a few years back people would have thought of Audi as a cnservative brand. But the fact is that although they are coming with these so called "sporty cars" (well, we all know how poorly they handle, basically just a big engine and some bodyparts)these cars are no-where near the perfection from BMW's M division. Even Audi's normal road cars have uped the game, but that's all. It's an unexpected achievement from Audi, however, it's not to an extent that it's a replacementfor BMW's superiority. Once a pig always a pig - likewise, once a VW, always a VW. That's why clever people still choose BMW. You can choose an Audi, but most people are disspointed and go back to BMW after their experience. It's a massive improvement from Audi's side, but not so much that they take the crown. as a matter of fact, they are still miles behind BMW's huge sexy X6 ass. - oops, they might copy that as well, but they would need to make another VW with that so that they can interchange the badge and see at higher cost to the audi fools

huge sexy X6 ass. - oops, they might copy that as well when the hell did audi copy something from BMW?

Well its clear that GPKH obviously feels so threatened by Audi's products that he's trying to make his cars sound better than they really are by degrading all others. I'm pleased to see that almost everyone can see this as well. He could even be on drugs with the dillusional status of his posts, not only are they absolutely incorrect, they are no less than absurd, its the only rational explanation I can come to terms with for dealing with him.

TO AUDI FAN - HAVE YOU BEEN SLEEPING THE PAST 5 YEARS? iDrive, BMW designs, BMW lights (LED rear lights, light tubes - look at the A3 convert), rear wheel drive by making they quattro system 60% to rear to get the driving dynamics of a BMW, and a host of other technologies. and just you wait, they'll copy the X6 as well, like they did with the Q7 - tried to copy the X5 but masde a complete mess of it, Q5 copy of X3. you see they jut see if BMW is successful in these new market segments and as soon as they are, they copy and join in the fun. AUDI IS THE COPY CATS IN GERMANY, LIKE THE CAR MAKERS IN CHINA. THEY ARE NO BETTER. As a customer, I choose to buy something superior and original and has no cheap brand quality like VW attached to it

In what way does a Q7 copy an X5. If anything, Mercedes had the original idea for a midsize luxury SUV with the M class. It was so popular that BMW came out with the X5. And just because Audi came out with the Q7 doesn't mean that it copied the X5, unless of course you're so ignorant and in denial that you think every car produced by Audi is somehow a copy of a BMW, which seems to be the case.Just because Audi produces cars with four wheels, windows, an engine, red lights, clear lights and a leather interior does not mean that it copies BMW.Unfortuantely, you have much trouble understanding that. You're so desparate in trying to bash Audi that you come up with the most ridiculous statments. Who cares if Audi has VW engineering. It's not like VW makes cars that are so terribly engineered that nobody buys them. And that's not even the case; Audi has its own group of engineers who specialize in Audis, not VWs. Of course you don't care because all that's in you mind is how apparantley Audi copied BMW in everything it did. That's just absurd.

I can sympathise with your efforts on this forum GPKH. If there was another premium product in the automotive industry as powerful and successful as Audi I would be worried too.

Do remember RS5 that Audi will soon be bought by Porsche, they have expressed great interest in purchasing the company and for good reason. But after all, its still a VW. As is GPKH an intellect.

xenomorph: Just to put the facts straight... Audi si the smallest of the top 3 German premium luxury car. In actual fact, many countries do not consider Audi as premium. FYI it's BMW, then Merc , then Audi. So I don't know what you're talking about when you say another car brand more powerful than Audi - maybe you were talking about their resouces i.e. VW as parent company. Decondly, there's a difference between being a parent company (when you have conrol of the financial and operational decision making) and merely just being an investor. There are millions of investors out there and if you followed the news, Porsche is currently merely just an investor to try to dversify their operating risks in such a prestigous market- thet is purely a business decision. They currently have no say in Audi at the moment. In actual fact, even porsche thinks that VW and Audi should split because Audi is currently just another VW. So get the facts straight before you talk.

Well you seem unrelentingly certain that Audi is a VW which it isn't save for the A3/Golf and Q7/Toureg/Cayenne. And yes Porsche apparently wants to split Audi completely from VW to keep for itself to increase parts sharing between them. Also, you can't not acknowlede the accolades Audi has been achieving year after year, I could literally fill pages up with all the awards thay have won, however they are the most successful car company in the World Car of The Year awards and FYI, they have achieved World Performance Car of the year twice. BMW have not ever achieved that. Ironic isn't it?

Exactly, same old copy cat story, same old ugly front grille (FOREVER OPEN FISH MOUTH), same old LED line with no taste, same old VW cars that handle poorly. They can put RS this and that and put a huge engine in their cars, but what's a car if it handles like a truck. RUBBISH!

Xarlyn... always the same stupid useless comment!!! And again, GPKH, YOU ARE BIGGEST ASSSHOLE I HAVE HEARD IN MY LIFE!!!!!

Thats the understatement of the century. ^