Nissan Offers Tires & Another Video Against 'Ring Time Accusations

By Brian Potter
October 14, 2008 4:56 PM
Filed Under: Nissan, Nürburgring, Supercars

Much to the delight of Dunlop, the drama continues as Nissan offers up circumstantial evidence with the actual standard tires used in their record setting Nurburgring run earlier this year in addition to a second video. After 'Ring testing their own GT-R purchased from the U.S., Porsche accused the Japanese auto maker of perpetrating fraud by using non-standard, semi-slick tires when it was unable to come close to Nissan's lap time. Late last week Nissan responded in a statement that cheekily recommended following proper break-in procedures and offered to give all prospective GT-R owners as well as auto manufacturers GT-R driving lessons.

Nissan's showing of the tires is a defiant gesture but still proves very little. However, the video shows the 50kg test equipment, although not in the car, further putting the GT-R at an additional handicap. Nonetheless, the video which includes some Japanese language dialog runs 12 minutes with the full record run footage starting at 4 minutes.

Surely, we haven't heard the last of this dispute. Hopefully, it will end up in an independently monitored battle royale between Porsche and Nissan in the 'Ring.

Source: GTRblog.com via Autoblog.com

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Comments

mmr66

October 14, 2008 5:15 PM

why dont they just have a race on the ring.

Meeshka

October 14, 2008 6:40 PM

I love how Nissan tells Porsche "we can teach you drive like real men"... but not in those words exactly. Posrche is just upset they can't offer a car of such ability at such a low price. Back to the drawing board Porsche!

kimbo

October 14, 2008 5:24 PM

suck this Porsche! Godzilla is back!

asif

October 14, 2008 5:42 PM

Nissan should tell Porsche to "piss off!" to think they have to prove that the GTR is superior is a shame. Porsche face it, theres a new king on the ring! hahahahahha!

LMS

October 14, 2008 5:43 PM

Sounds like a job for Stiggy.

danteskov

October 14, 2008 6:02 PM

I don't know why Porsche is such a cry baby... when it is evident that the GTR can outperform any of its cars, and it is not only proven in the ring but also by several car reviewers that states the GTR as a superior car, more comfortable, faster and superior handling..

NISMO

October 14, 2008 6:17 PM

uhh uhh, and the ZR1 was runnin race fuel...um...and, uhh the Viper was loaded for NOS...this is gettin rediculous...just shut up and let your car do the talking...the people demand a clash of the titans...throw down time.

NISMO

October 14, 2008 6:19 PM

...and just to clarify, I like all of these cars...anyone would be crazy not to respect each of them for their strengths...however, if fastest lap time on the nurburgring is the claim to fame, then may the fastest car win!

mc959

October 14, 2008 6:26 PM

Yeah, try to make that time on the ring and you got problems with the transmission for about 20K, and the Porsche will do lap over lap without problem(eventually take some gas!) that's why a Porsche cost 2x as much, but u can use it's power alltime anyday, not like the GTR that if u use the LC too much it's gonna break and to repair it you pay 1/3 of the car, Godzilla is back, hahahaha

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/13/carsumer-advocacy-nissan-refuses-to-replace-gt-r-owners-busted/

here's the prove

pzigly

October 15, 2008 6:37 AM

you can use it on the track. Just dont turn the traction control off all the time. Put it in race mode instead of off.

loki

October 14, 2008 6:45 PM

.. I really don't see how they expect to counter Porsche's claims that they used normal tyres on the runs with this video.. I'd like to see them actually tape the moment when they mount the tyres on the car that is then taken out for a lap. you know, like Audi did when they did that spot for the Quattro system at the ski jump ramp. that would be something !

now, I am quite a Porsche fan and I do think and accept that the GT-R is (or could be) faster than the 911 Turbo - and I also think that Porsche's attempt to put Nissan's claims in doubt is ..at least "clumsy", but I also think that Nissan are taking this too far with their sarcasm. even if they have a faster car (and if they do, why not accept a shootout ?), they mustn't forget Porsche's history, pedigree and racing heritage - that they are quite far from equalling.

and in the end, it's a question of philosophy: Nissan wanted to make a car that was easy to drive and help even a (very) clumsy driver get the most out of it. Porsche's philosophy is to make driving fun and rewarding.. just do a lap of any track in both cars and then see which one makes you feel better about your skills..

Tuner_Mad

October 14, 2008 6:59 PM

Haha, Nissan is rubbing this in Prosche's face.

To Porsche: Your weakness is showing. You have fear from the GTR. Stop complaining and make better cars. Your gonna loose sales if you moan like this.

ShinyG

October 14, 2008 9:07 PM

Go back to playing NFS, ricer! You can get the GTR cheaper there than in real life. You know, no dealer mark-ups and unlimited virtual stock. ;) You sound like some random asian dude from a Fast and Furious movie... You don't get it, Porsche is not "loosing" any market from this, as their target audience doesn't even go near the "12 year old gamer/ricer" demographic...

pzigly

October 15, 2008 6:40 AM

if you think the mark up on the GTR is too much then u obviously have not seen the mark up on a porsche

_M7_

October 14, 2008 8:08 PM

Porshe since a lot of years have problems to made a good padle shift gearbox, instead Nissan made an CVT a few years ago after 10 years of work if im not wrong and EVERY car company bought this CVT to study it. I respect porsche but nissan and this engine are so superior...dont forget the most important, JAPAN ENGENIERING

Iconic

October 14, 2008 9:13 PM

Both of these cars are effing badass. No one can deny that. Porsche nor Nissan will "lose sales" over this. in fact, It's good business for both. Both companies are on top of their game right now... and it can only mean crazier cars to come.

Simply put... The battle is on. Like LMS said, this is definitely a job for Stiggy.

BZ-G

October 14, 2008 9:16 PM

Both Porsche and Nissan are great cars, they have there own style and character, but Porsche has to admit that GT-R is a faster car... Any semi slick car driver can tell the difference if the video of the car is using semi slick or not since you can hear the difference in tyre noise, and obviously they are street tyres, as you can hear the roaring of the tyres reaching it's limit, where semi slick sounds different than that... Also there are two tyre choices to choose from which are specially made for the GT-R i.e. RE070R (summer tyre, bit sticker) and 600 DSST CTT (all season tyre)... These are street legal production tyres for the GT-R, they are close to semi slick compound BUT not the same since treadwear on semi slicks are a lot lower then street tyres (also Porsche too uses Michelin Pilot Sport Cup + tyres which are close to semi slick compound)... Nissan can even have a faster time if they switched to the RE070R but used the 600 DSST CTT as a benchmark for the GT-R instead, letting customers know that even all season tyres can produce good lap times...

out4ride

October 14, 2008 11:41 PM

@M7. U have it all wrong. It was Audi which came up with CVT and they used it first in the car. As I remember they hold 21 patents for it. Nissan was second to use it in Murrano. Audi also developed twin cluch tranny which Nissan uses in GT- R with different name

Decypha

October 15, 2008 11:20 PM

Nah Porsche first developed twin-clutch systems in the 80s if I'm not wrong... VAG were the first to bring it to production.

carcrazy1234

October 15, 2008 4:31 AM

i kinda got pissed off at the GT-R makers... apparently the warranty says that when the VDC is turned off... the warranty that comes with the car is not applicable haha... like wtf... seriously... if your transmission can't handle the enormous grunt of this car why put it in??? seriously japs... come ON!!!! u had me loving this car to hating this car. and apparently they made the car so that modifiers will have EXTREME trouble modifying it. seriously if its so perfect, why is the transmission so sh*ty???

well now that that's out...

please have a RACE on the ring... for real... broadcasted live on TV. LEGIT.

out4ride

October 15, 2008 5:07 AM

Carcrazy1234 I feel your pain. Just remember one thing this is the best trany out there however they can't handle a lot of torque. I think BMW has one that handles over 400 lb. One thing I can't understand why veyron doesn't have problems with it.

pzigly

October 15, 2008 6:44 AM

BECAUSE ITS HUGE!!!! lol

NardoW12

October 15, 2008 8:32 AM

I think some people are saying that Veryon's transmission system have something special that deals with the torques....plus it's huge...(and super expensive) here's a link about it...I don't understand much of it but you can take a look http://www.gizmag.com/go/4909/

BMW have the new M-DCT paddleshift system that they put in the new M3, it's suppose to be able to handle over 500hp and 400lbs of torque...however...the new M3 only have 300lbs of torque... but the shifting is very good

sapphirebooze

October 15, 2008 10:22 AM

omg omg omg. porsche just keeps getting owned. lol lol lol

e36mmm

October 15, 2008 1:26 PM

im a big porsche fan and admire the gtr at the same time beginning from r32 to r35, however this video shows too little. the car imo revs out quicker than the standard car shown in videos and its very easy to cheat on this track. different tyres, lighter chassis and different fuel and so on. but thats not the case here. the point is i believe porsche in a way because nissan have cheated on the ring before. I know porsche wont stop here and will invite nissan for a track duel and then we will see the real difference.

pzigly

October 16, 2008 4:25 AM

wait.... when did they lie b4?

pzigly

October 16, 2008 4:35 AM

and if what you say is actually true, y has every person who put the gtr head to head with the porsche found that they had a better time with the gtr than the porsche? It has been proven to death that the GTR is faster. In Europe with a customer pitted against a 911. Once with a 911 GT2 and on the top gear track the time beat the 911 and the carerra GT. Road and track in the US raced the 911 vs the vette vs the GTR and gess who won there also. THE GTR.

Aesthetics

October 15, 2008 3:49 PM

one set of tires when nissan bring their antorage to germany? how many sets did they bring and those displayed are not that worn for a 1700+kg car doing lord knows how many laps on one of the longest tracks being driven to the max???? i am getting lost