Porsche Accuses Nissan of Cheating on GT-R Nurburgring 'Record' Lap Run
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Nissan GT-R in all its glory / Nissan -
Nissan GT-R in all its glory / Nissan -
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Nissan GT-R in all its glory / Nissan
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mc959
So you're all saying that the GTR did that time on the Nurburgring, this means that you're all saying that the GTR is only 3sec slower then a ZR1 that have 161 HP more and weights 200 kg lighter, well this means the ZR1 is rubbish!! sorry but i think Nissan is the cheater here, you all really think that's the GTR can be faster then Pagani's, Lambo's, Ferrari's and all other supercars, cause they did'nt beat only Porsche but all those other brands too!! OPEN YOUR EYES!! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE...
October 1, 2008 2:37 pm
sheil
The Nissan GT-R is faster than Porsche's 911 Turbo, GT2, GT3 RS AND Carrera GT. All these cars were tested around the Top Gear track, all driven by the same driver. The only Porsche car in the top 10 at 9th place is the Carrera GT with a time of 1:19:8 and the Nissan GT-R is 7th with staggering 1:19:7! At 1/10th of a second this seems like a ridicule small advantage but it is still an advantage for a car that costs close to 5 times more than the GT! I love Porsches, they have amazing technology and engineering but I'm sorry say that as Jeremy Clarkson they have a new "Yard stick" to compete against! The Nissan GT-R, just like its Skyline ancestor, is a rocketship that will challenge many acars to come!!
October 1, 2008 8:02 am
mc959
OK? but why does the press release cars all had on the dyno about 520 to 550 hp, as Nissan says it has 480HP, these is already a prove of cheating, i know the Japanese are magicians with electronic, but the GTR has 200kg(!!) more then the Porsche. both cars should have 480HP and they are both 4 wheel drive, all i know is that we'll now the truth when the first GTR will be delivered in europe with standard specs & i suppose Porsche will have a better answer with the 998 Turbo....
October 1, 2008 1:00 pm
pzigly
Since the engine is hand built each engine is a little different. 480 is the lowest possible that you will get. Also if you think about it, as the team assembling the engines really get used to building that engine, each one should get more and more hp than the last one.
October 1, 2008 4:45 pm
Get_real
The last opinion to follow is Top Gear's (especially Clarkson). They are the least objective journalists in the world.
October 1, 2008 5:33 pm
radmeister
Dude no car company that prides itself of hand assembling engines will allow a 14.6% variance in HP. Are you on drugs show me any part on a car that has a 14.6% variance in tolerance and that passes QC.
October 3, 2008 12:59 am
9TNine
Well, have to say the GT-R has received some really good reviews for a car costing 50 grand...
Not sure if Nissan is playing dirty but here are the Top Gear lap times:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml
The GT-R beat the Porsche Carrera GT!!
(ummm, the Porsche driver DID remember the engine in the GT-R was in the FRONT, and drove it accordingly...?? - or are the Germans sore losers?)
October 1, 2008 8:05 am
andy
so funny ..just bring 2 cars and race them on the track, dont care about the lapping time anymore,
October 1, 2008 8:05 am
mortz
They have race the gt-r with many porsches and the gt-r is just faster full stop!!
October 1, 2008 8:10 am
serraxtrem
They also can make a crash test between this beautiful cars.... To see which of them is the best
October 1, 2008 8:11 am
pzigly
So instead of trying to compete with the time they are complaining like little girls? That sounds like porsche drivers, all talk and no go.....
October 1, 2008 8:13 am
Xanavi23
Making an Objective test and reporting results isn't whining, he even gave credit to the GT-R.
October 1, 2008 12:03 pm
pzigly
objective???? There results were 30 seconds slower than what Nissan got. 30 seconds!!!!!!!! That means that the gtr is a little bit faster than a cadillac spec-v. That is not right, were they using the snow tires or something?
October 1, 2008 4:40 pm
mortz
they raced the gt-r with many Porsche's and the gt-r is just faster full stop!! that's all the evidence there.
October 1, 2008 8:14 am
Bristol411S3
Check out this month's Evo. Marc Basseng laps the Ring in the following:
Maserato MC12 7:24.29
Pagani Zonda F CS 7:24.65
Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21
Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71
Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55
By this measure the GTR is slower than all but a sick Koenigsegg. Still a great achievement however.
October 1, 2008 8:34 am
Voss
That just goes to prove once again the driver is still very important, and can make up the differences between cars. Those 5 supercars have much slower laps on 'official' Nurburgring charts, and Evo showed there are just tenths between them.
I suspect Porsche can't drive GT-R as it's intended, no way is it 20 sec slower then a 911 Turbo.
October 1, 2008 10:09 am
anonymous
oh man. because the gtr was drove by me. thats why its faster. ok, its a joke.
October 1, 2008 4:13 pm
Racketeer
The GT-R and the 911 Turbo are NOT COMPETITORS, contenders or even rivals. They are geared towards entirely different buyers. A 911 Turbo buyer will never ever consider a replacement GT-R. If you look up the client profiles of both cars you will find that they differ vastly by age, lifestyle and income.
As for the Nürburgring times: I am convinced that the facelift 911 Turbo PDK will show its sovereignty over the GT-R.
October 1, 2008 8:39 am
9TNine
Racketeer, check this out:
Bruno Senna (GP2) drives GT-R and Porsche Turbo
http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?mnk=410&id=255&description=Bruno+Senna
October 1, 2008 9:05 am
norther
ohhh man... why dont they do it like in the old days. bring the god damn cars to the track, have an official inspect them for any tweaks ..than `ucking race them. ... one at a time, same driver. than have 2 drivers race them, at the same time. what a bunch of geniuses...both porsche and nissan
October 1, 2008 8:43 am
ever thought about a cherry picked engine and fined tuned setup for top gear ect?? Not to question anyone or the gts performance here, but there were some occasions where review cars had some more horsepower than the regular models...
October 1, 2008 8:56 am
trespasser
@Racketeer - man, you're soooo right... There's not even one person on the face of the earth that is going for the Porsche, then seeing this lap times and going for the Nissan. Hahahaha! Nissan...? Image car...? That's beyond stupid. The key word here is "target groups" and they are soooo different.
October 1, 2008 9:10 am
kimbo
fifth gear track, top gear track, japanese test on youtube. Everywhere GT-R is faster than a 911 Turbo and sometimes even Carrera GT. So Porsche stop be annoying and just admit that GT-R is half the price of a Turbo and is faster... even more exotic as for me..
October 1, 2008 9:14 am
9TNine
Well, with Ken Livingston gone, guess Porsche had to find other tihngs to do... :)
October 1, 2008 9:41 am
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