Audi Variable Valvelift System in Detail

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Even that I am Mercedes Benz Fanatic, respect for Audi. Definitely very good job! Anyway German Cars ROCKS!
June 26, 2008 10:48 am
 alexb81 alexb81
Hey, guys, Honda did this a loooong time ago with VTEC, like 1989...so, what's new about it????
July 4, 2008 12:07 pm
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
meh, if they really wanted total control they would have made a sloping surface that changes through an infinite number of timing ranges for perfect valve timing control.
June 26, 2008 11:42 am
 m4rtins m4rtins
Joe-limon - nice to see you have no understanding of engines - there needs to be a smooth transition between cam profile which cannot be achieved with a continual slope, hence there would be an extremely high lateral force for actuator. There is a cylindrical section where the valve transitions between the two cam lobes - otherwise it would smash the engine due to the high loads. Like all that write into forums, you know nothing............
June 26, 2008 12:16 pm
 benz_man benz_man
While joe-limon's mechanical solution was unfavorable, his theory was spot-on. If Audi really wanted perfect valve lift control, they would have created an infinitely variable design. While BMW's Valvetronic doesn't offer quite as much total valve lift, the system is "stepless" with complete, continuous control of valve lift. Audi's AVS only offers two fixed valve "steps". However, Audi has achieved similar efficiency gains with reduced component costs/complexity. But wont see the same power increases BMW does with Valvetronic. Although they should be able to find additional power somewhere else now, without efficiency losses.
June 26, 2008 3:59 pm
 catalin.dinu catalin.dinu
it's allright to complete shutdown one of the cylinders?
June 26, 2008 12:25 pm
 Sharpshot Sharpshot
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Porsche has had this for some years with their "Variocam/Variocam Plus". Came out in the early 1990's I believe. Six years in development? Do not get me wrong, Audi are an amazing company and have a whole selection of inovations when it comes to the industry. However, this is nothing new when a company has had it for atleast 15 years, now on engines that go up to 8400rpm. http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTVCP&Category=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant= (Unless I am completly wrong and these are two different things, then I apologise for the ignorance)
June 26, 2008 2:27 pm
 jalex jalex
Sorry, but Variocam is a valve timing variation system. This, on the otherhand, is a valve lift variation system, meaning it makes the valve open less or more according to the load needs. The main thing here is that this, interesting as it may be, is a variation of a system called valvetronic presented some years ago by BMW. In valvetronic the system goes even further, using the lift variation to totally control the inflow and thus render useless the use of the throtle butterfly. Nice try, though...
June 26, 2008 2:45 pm
 Zero Zero
Toyota have been using VVTL-i engines for a number of years, since 1998. But, I belive this is slightly different, because Audi have managed to graft the system for larger engines, and they will be able to get more power out of them.
June 26, 2008 2:48 pm
 out4ride out4ride
I think you guys need to read this article one more time before jumping into conclusions. Audi is not saying they came up with something new but that they were able to incorporate two systems together.
June 26, 2008 3:28 pm
 Sharpshot Sharpshot
Are you sure? "VarioCam Plus uses a combination of variable valve timing and variable valve lift on the intake side to improve power, torque and fuel consumption across the entire engine-speed range." - http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/VarioCamPlus.htm Lol, I am indeed giving it a good go Jalex, just need a bit of clarification.
June 26, 2008 4:56 pm
 benz_man benz_man
VarioCam Plus doesn't offer the amount of lift and timing variations that AVS, VVEL & Valvetronic do. It does work around the same principal though. Plus, Porsche uses electro-hydraulic tappets that, when spun at excessive engine speeds, go poo.
June 26, 2008 8:33 pm
 muellr muellr
well, as always there is a minefield of patents out there and so it might take a while to come up with a workaround solution or pay a lot of royalties. and i guess there is nothing worse than to see your competition smile when you sall more cars, cause they just make heaps of cash without the trouble of putting a product on the market...
June 26, 2008 8:41 pm
 justanotherfreak justanotherfreak
Yes, good job on stating that Audi redesigned the wheel, when Honda already did this around 1989
June 27, 2008 8:57 am
 4rings 4rings
Is that so? And on what car did Honda have variable LIFT? Valve timing and valve lift are not the same, and, as for Honda's variable valve TIMING, it wasnt first, and it also wasnt on both intake AND exhaust, until just about everybody else had it on both sides. This arcticle is about a new LIFT system, as stated in the headline, the diagram, and on the link you just clicked to get here. Maybe you also missed the part where the second paragraph begins "Based on the existing variable valve timing system which permits the valve opening and closing times to be varied, the Audi valvelift system now achieves the next step ? variable control of the valve lift, thus influencing the cross-section of the intake duct." Pretty self explanatory wouldnt you say? Its not a very long piece, so maybe you can actually read it.
June 28, 2008 7:58 am
 benz_man benz_man
4rings, Vtec is a variable lift system too. Its just no where near as complex or "smart". Another old system that accomplishes the same principle in a different way, with more limitations.
June 28, 2008 5:19 pm
 Aesthetics Aesthetics
honda's V-TEC is still the best. all the other are copying thiers in principal, using a little piston to shift lobe torque, even porsche vario cam plus works in the spirit of honda's V-TEC
June 11, 2009 6:54 am
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June 28, 2008 4:28 am
 Sharpshot Sharpshot
Cheers for the clarification benz_man!
June 28, 2008 2:13 pm
 benz_man benz_man
Anytime I can help man!
June 28, 2008 5:19 pm
 HolySteel HolySteel
The first Honda VTEC system came out in 1983: "introduced on the CBR400 in 1983 known as HYPER VTEC." "The VTEC system [for cars] was originally introduced as a DOHC system in the 1989 Honda Integra" So the first VTEC was already a DOHC! "VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control)" So, on ALL cars with VTEC you get variable lift. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
July 9, 2008 12:25 pm
 droobear droobear
seems to me 4rings has it right. VARIABLE LIFT. Let me say it again. VARIABLE LIFT. If you are using cams and CAM LOBES how does one vary the lift? The lobe draws a circle. If you want a bigger circle FOR MORE LIFT, then you need a bigger lobe. AUDI HAS DONE THAT. SEE THE PICTURE??????? 2 TWO DEUX ZWEI 2 TWO 2 TWO LLLOOOBBBEEESSS. learn your kindergarten geometry before commenting. p.s. Just because the marketing team at Honda calls it variable lift does not make it so. AGAIN you need a bigger lobe means you need two lobes
August 8, 2008 2:44 am
 HolySteel HolySteel
And what exactly is your problem with that? VTEC systems indeed have 2 different lobes on 1 cam. Don't try to talk about something you obviously have no idea about. Go to wikipedia or wherever first or look at an Honda engine, before posting senseless comments. btw WRITING IN CAPS doesn't make your reasoning any better at all, in case you haven't noticed.
August 9, 2008 2:13 pm
 smoky smoky
sorry for a very late comment...Twin Cam VTEC has 3 different lobes on one cam...for low/mid/high rev...
May 7, 2009 2:44 am