Ford F650 By Geiger Cars

how is it not very practical? It is more reliable then a sports car, it can be your daily driver, you can tow pretty much anything you would ever want to tow, and due to the size and how high the drivers head is it is a really safe vehicle. Trucks are pretty much the most practical vehicles on the road.

I think Autoque means it is ruthlessly excessive. Also, it is essentially the same as a big rig in terms of scale and subsystems, meaning when it does break it will need specialized mechanics and heavy-duty tools to repair it. And I would argue against its merits of safety, because, though they are safe for the occupants, large vehicles are notoriously unsafe for everyone else in almost every respect. They don't stop as well, they don't handle as well, you can lose entire vehicles in their blind spots (let alone motorcyclists and pedestrians), and it's obvious to anyone with a driver's licence that the larger a vehicle an individual drives, the more reckless they become (save commercial truck drivers).

just because it is bigger doesn't mean it is more complicated, and I would also argue that since it is bigger it is easier to fix, as everything isn't as crammed into little tiny spaces. Also since it is bigger there is less emphasis on cutting down the weight of individual components, so this again allows for more reliable components that may weigh more to be installed. As to more reckless drivers. I highly doubt that people in big trucks are more reckless, I would argue that people in cheaper cars are more reckless. This truck is definitely not cheap, and anyone who buys it definitely won't be reckless with it. As to blind zones, if you have ever driven in a large truck, you can see more of what is happening around you. That is just one of the benefits of having your head above the roof lines of other cars. Finally, as to heavy duty mechanics. Don't count on it. Heavy duty mechanics work on Cats and large machinery, not trucks. This thing has a 6.7L engine, well under the engine size for most large machinery.

Those are all seemingly reasonable points; however, I should point out this vehicle is a relatively large truck in that it is equipped with air brakes (requiring special certifications to service) and outside the maximum weight capacity for vehicle hoists in a significant majority of garages out there. Moreover, being able to see over traffic doesn't eliminate blind spots; in fact, you're more likely to lose sight of cars on either side of you, which is part of the reason why truck drivers have their own graduated licensing system. Now, I'm not going to argue who are the biggest offenders between Ricers and SUV Drivers, because it is a useless and irrelevant debate. What I do know is that there is a line between "practical" and "disgustingly excessive" this vehicle seems to have no awareness of.

"disgustingly excessive" now thats a harsh word. In fact, many people would say any luxury sports car is "disgustingly excessive" because no one needs a car that can go from 0-60 in under 4 or 5 seconds and has every technological doohickey to boot. 99% of the population probably doesn't need this truck either, but there are people who pull work trailers that might view this as a better buy then a 18 wheeler that they cannot fit on their driveway. Also, I said nothing about comparing ricers with suv drivers. I was stating that people who buy cheap cars generally have less regard for their driving habits then people who invest more heavily into their cars. As to the weight concerns on hoists, for $2000 you can get a hoist capable of holding 3.6 tonnes, I am pretty sure that most garages have more expensive/greater spec'd lifts. And then there is the fact that many major automotive repair shops don't use hoists, they use pits to service vehicles.

how could u say heavy automobile parts r more reliable?? n those Jap cars r very reliable car although they'd weigh only half as much.. this is an excessive at all kinda vehicle.. n 5.2 tonnes!! :O safety to anybody, even the driver is a matter of doubt! :P

Its a simple matter of physics. If your drive shaft and gears are bigger, they can handle larger forces, and thus reduce fatigue and generally last longer.

Aluminium weighs lesser than steel, n its as strong but lighter than that.. n hence that's gonna stay put for a much longer time than steel, weight is not everything buddy!!

Aluminum might be much lighter then steel but it isn't as strong as steel. Even alloys of aluminum aren't as strong as steel.

wat are u talking man!! Carbon Fibre.. its lighter than aluminium n yet stronger than steel!! :O heavy doesnt mean its gonna last long.. the fatigue that ur talking about.. would be higher on a heavier item[n if its moving even more so on it].. the wear tear of parts is higher?? this is a normal misconception that bigger is better!! Trust me, its not!!

Don't change the subject, you were talking about aluminum not carbon fiber. Pure aluminum has a maximum yield strength between 7-11MPa, the most advanced aluminum alloys available on the market are about 600MPa, the average for steel is 700 MPa. Volume compared to strength Steel holds an advantage... thats because it is stronger. Now if you want to compare weights then yes pound of Aluminum will be stronger then a pound of steel... It will also take up 3x the volume. As to fatigue, steel again holds an advantage over aluminum as it can take a repeated stresses longer.

sure.. i agree with ur facts.. good job.. but the excessive weight is ot going to really be an advantage, never, just coz a part is larger n heavier doesnt mean its better than a lighter n well engineered part! n if Ford is still gonna make this so heavy, then they must rethink with their engineers..

5.2 tonnes man, for heaven's sake, atleast make the body panels with aluminium if not anything else!! :O

Excessive weight in a vehicle meant for towing just means there is going to be that much more traction. So again you are wrong, just me thinking out loud here but maybe Ford engineers aren't stupid and put more thought behind there designs then you put behind your arguments. Seriously, how do you expect a vehicle that doesn't weigh much to toe any weight? Replace the wheels with suction cups? Now that I am done ripping on you. I will say aluminum and carbon fiber are very good building options. Especially when low weight is a concern i.e. fuel economy, handling, and general sports performance. This is a truck. And of all the other trucks out there this one is sold to people who want to tow giant yachts and trailers. They do not care about fuel economy if they have a giant trailer/boat, if they did care, they would get a smaller trailer/boat. And since it is such a big vehicle, to buy it hoping that you can race in any matter is laughable. So lowering the weight for better performance is also pointless.

also wolff I just read your response to my post as to why hp/liter doesn't matter. I will ask you this. If you had a car, and you could choose between the AMG v8 and the LS7, both no forced induction each option at no extra cost. Which would you choose? Personally I would go with the LS7. Because it is more reliable, and if something does break it will cost 10x less to fix. And then there is the fact that if you put both engines in the same car the fact that both engines will burn the same amount of fuel even though the LS7 has a larger displacement. This is because the LS7 is a less stressed engine that requires a lower air/fuel ratio to get that power.

er I guess that would be a higher air to fuel ratio in the fact that it runs leaner.

heard of Traction Control?? it would aid u more at any given time than all of that weight... n a vehicle neednt really weigh 5.2 tonnes to tug a similar weight, that was a lame point.. a Toureg [ofcourse, it was a publicity stunt] could pull a Boeing747... n it weighs half as much as this, looks prettier n also runs much better!! n for Pete's sake do American cars handle at all?? :O u intrigue me..

why would a sports car run a lean engine?? n i'll tell u what u get in a Mercedes Benz C63AMG that u wouldnt get in the Chevrolet Corvette LS7.. 1. The C is a better engineered car, anyday much better than the Corvette. 2. Much better quality, anything from a small switch to the whole dash... seen the Corvette's interiors?? 3. That engine, for heaven's sake is a much better engine, n its infact been detuned for the C, so when u r not even running to its full capability, u dont stress the engine, n the Corvette's is not detuned, n it runs on technology that came in when my grand dad was born!! 4. C is safer.. 5. Handles better, no American car would even come close to it.. dont take one offs to compare.. 6. Its so much more comfortable.. it has a better suspension, it has better seating, can carry 4 with luggage.. Corvette has leaf springs, a cheap option, but a clever one.. but the ride quality is lost!! 7. It is a MERCEDES BENZ.. would cost u more than a CHEVROLET anyday.. u have a brand to call out loud!! i guess these r more than enough to say the Mercedes Benz C 63AMG is a better car than the Corvette.. n also, its so lame of u to compare these 2 cars, why don u learn to compare cars of the same class.. next time take on a car with a similar displacement n class.. next time take on a Ferrari.. atleast an F430, if not the 599GTB, just to see u happy watching ur Chevrolet probably pipping that little car out!!

n a larger engine means, it burns more fuel, even if it runs lean.. n y would anybody want a sports car with running on a lean mixture?

ok I will answer your points as to why they are wrong. 1 and 2. Throwing as much crap into a car as possible, no matter how expensive that crap is, is not engineering. Nor is it good engineering. Carefully evaluating each parts pro's con's

You're right on one thing...even in Canada...driving this thing will be even worse than the price of admission we're gonna hit 2 dollars a Liter in a years time or a bit longer most likely, 1.37~ now, 1.50 by mid-late summer...we're heading for the way European prices are as of now.

If you can afford this truck, gas prices should be nothing to worry about. I know they are comparitively higher then before, but that so far hasn't proven to change anyone I know's driving habits. As to tires, they probably won't cost as much as those short sidewall sport tires, and last longer due to the fact that they have more rubber. Back to gas prices, I had a 1986 T-Bird that got 7mpg. It didn't burn through fuel, it pumped it. I now drive a car that gets 3-4 times the mileage. And in all honesty even if gas prices doubled I would still want my old car back. Now as to parking, some trucks have a tighter turning radius the some small cars. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about door dings, or anybody running into you cause lord knows your the most visible thing in the lot.

"Now as to parking, some trucks have a tighter turning radius the some small cars." WAT??? :O

my dad's yukon has a much smaller radius then my moms mazda 6, basically since there is more room for the tires to pivot around so there is a larger steering angle.

i seriously think u should get ur Mazda checked for wheel allignment!! :O

I think you should drive more cars.