Chevrolet Camaro Testing in Europe

The Camaro is actually gonna be built in Canada at the Oshawa Car Assembly Plant. And thats for Union reasons more than anything else. Maybe your thinking about the G8 being built in Australia.

GM is being a pioneer????? They are simply jumping on the pathetic bandwagon of American companies living in the past gloy days instead of competing, and beating, import cars today.

Traditional American? it is not even built in America, what are you talking about

It is taking so long because unlike countless other times GM wants to try and get it right. Camaro is an icon so it has to live up to its name, plus try and beat its competitors.

no there lights do not look good... and if this car Z06 well then its a hit!

the point i am trying to make is that core customer base for this cars don't live in New York or Los Angeles, that is where BMW sells briskly. i am talking about middle america, that buys those cars. and this middle america losses its jobs because GM builds them everywhere else, but the middle america. Come on guys, average joe that used to buy them now works in Wal Mart.

ford is also a global company but at least they spared the fate of their Iconic Brand and kept the development and production here, where they sell them. that is fair

that is why scion is here. to replace those iconic brands that we all could enjoy back in the day.

I agree with you completely. Most people don't understand that GM is a global company so why wouldn't they use all of their resources.

the point i am trying to make is that core customer base for this cars don't live in New York or Los Angeles, that is where BMW sells briskly. i am talking about middle america, that buys those cars. and this middle america losses its jobs because GM builds them everywhere else, but the middle america. Come on guys, average joe that used to buy them now works in Wal Mart. ford is also a global company but at least they spared the fate of their Iconic Brand and kept the development and production here, where they sell them. that is fair that is why scion is here. to replace those iconic brands that we all could enjoy back in the day.

I'd rather see GM re-focus as a global competitor and stop producing all its cars in America than try and please Unions, not make a profit and go under...

that is what middle america seems to afford nowdays. Korean..and then Koreans will be out of reach, by that time Chinese will be here..and it just saaaaid

i mean sad:)

m555david; grow up, no one wants american cars anymore, and this one is craved by everybody in america. It's the fault of the unproductive work of the "middle-americans" that "middle-american" cars were, are and will be crap. So suck it up butter cup, buy a real, japanese or German car, maybe some of GM's new saturns or Pontiac's can compete, but stop trying to defend the sh*tty american car manufacturing comapanies.

Read my point below, if there is no economy then that are no people buying cars. look at the bigger picture dummy and grow up yourself if you haven't realized that yet...soon you will...why do you think our economy is in the slump? don't even think about blaming middle class. In Europe middle class is protected...here it is a different picture....so grow up

ok here it goes. Joe those words are not meant to be taking literally. You did mention your young age previously and i can understand your eagerness to pick on every word. by mentioning wal-mart i am generalizing a current state of economical despair that we are experiencing. This is not because of mortgage downfall. Nothing like that. it is mostly contributed to NAFTA and our low tariff system, where as every other country imposes higher tariffs on our products, hence creating an enormous deficit in our budget. I hold financial degree and degree in economics and actually deal with this matter on daily basis. and i can tell you with one thing for sure. America's middle class is dissolving at very alarming rate. Given that middle class is a backbone of american econonomy and a major drive of American Consumer power. Now, try to take the middle class out of equation and what would you have left??? a very dismissive market for those cars that GM is bringing. i live in new york but often travel to the heart of America; to Indiana and Michigan. and when i see the former workforce that used to make 40-50 dollars in hour working in manufacturing facility and now barely making $8. then the problems are little more apparent. and why did i mention scion, because at those hourly wages this is the only car that they can afford. Camaro is not high end car and people that buy BMWs and such, will never cross Chevy's doors so who is Chevy building this car for? the same people that they took jobs away from and moved them to Mexico or Canada. Unions don't need to be blamed. GM and others were very irresponsible with their investments back in 80's hoping for a government bail out if things would get worse.... to make it short...i think you should wake up and smell the roses, because our economy is on the brink of chaos and major internal restructuring of our legislature and corporate culture will save the day.

I agree we are going downhill fast. And yes it all comes down to labor costs. $40-$50 an hour is a ridiculous wage for general labor. It is no wonder we can't compete with China/Korea. We could restructure our businesses. But that "restructuring" word insists demotions, and mass firing. Or... that would mean we force upon ourselves a communist society where the employers equally share there wages with the employees. This will bump everyones wages to about $15 an hour. At which point you realize that American products are still more expensive and now everyone is going to buy the cheaper cars cause they can no longer afford there own products. Either way China wins. The only way I could see us beating the Chinese is adapting to the fact that they can produce mass quantities at cheap prices and have us focus on short run high quality items. This takes some investment though... through both machines and the fact that people need to educate themselves better. Sure my solution isn't perfect. But there are no perfect solutions in this game.

What are you smoking? At $40-$50 an hour the average worker would make between $80,000 and $100,000 a year... In the 60's the average income was $4,743 a year. After inflation that comes to $33,389.72 about a third of what you are saying. As to tariffs. They are already working in your favor. Due to the NAFTA agreements the penalties imposed on Canadian lumber has crippled our lumber industry in the western provinces.

Joe, do you really think that 100,000 is a lot of money for a family of 5? i don't think so...i think it is a borderline middle class. and currently americans don't even have that....so go figure...in 60's proportionally people were making what would be 100,000+ in terms of todays prices... so go figure...

a. In todays workforce, many households have 2 people making income. So if they are each making a middle class income, then you are saying that 200,000 a year is middle class. Also, the $33,389.72 is the exact inflation on $4,743 between 1960 and 2007. The $4,743 is the average income. If you add in the fact that in the 1960's very few women were in the work force. The numbers add up to show today people are better much better off then they were almost 50 years ago. So your number of "100,000+" remains just a number you pulled out of thin air in the hopes to prove your point. Seriously, I expected more from someone who professes themselves as having a economics degree, and who "actually deal with this matter on daily basis".

Joe, 100,000 for a family of 5? This is a typical american family, where father brings an income and mother raises 3 children, given this proportion, not many women can have successful careers outside of their home. unless children are neglected. common use your common sense, not just the numbers... don't you know that numbers don't speak for the real issues...

Numbers don't speak for real issues, they prove points. I grew up in a family where both parents so are you saying I and a large portion of the population were neglected? If you aren't going to listen to numbers then I won't bother bringing up the statistics showing that there are more mothers who work then do not work. Since you aren't bringing up families in the 1960's anymore, I guess you concede on towards that point?

what are you talking about??? concede to what??? listen, the only thing i am saying, and i am not making this up, is that one income could support family of 5 40 years ago...where as income of two barely supports family of 3 nowdays...i am not making it up...try to expose yourself maybe to political shows on CNN where economists give interviews...your argument with statistics is irrelevant. people are poorer...what else don't you understand?

hahaha, people are poorer yet the numbers say they are richer... yeah right. "two barely supports family of 3" oh man that one is also a keeper. Your argument is humorous in just how out of proportion it is. I can't believe that you are actually saying that $200,000 a year barely supports a family of 3. The reason why you keep saying statistics is irrelevant is because they prove you wrong. Seriously, keep going I wanna see what you say next.

As to CNN, it is a news channel. If you knew the amount of filtering that was driven by their own political agenda you would never want to watch the channel again. If you are going to say you know more on this because you watch a channel, try watching several and notice just how differently they view the world.

Joe what are you talking about?? read above i have never said nothing of 200,000 supporting family of 3...your arguments become ludacris as you start picking on every word and in a heat of the argument starting to make your own. read everywhere above and you won't find those numbers you are throwing back at me. so what is the argument again? 100,000 or 200,000 because it gets useless to even say anything knowing that it will get twisted in be answered to your own twisted understanding of the issue.

$200,000 comes from a combination of..."income of two barely supports family of 3"..."40-50 dollars is not a high wage"..."in 60's proportionally people were making what would be 100,000+ in terms of todays prices"..."Joe, 100,000 for a family of 5...where father brings an income and mother raises 3 children" need more? You are saying $100,000 is a middle class income, and that two of these salaries put together can barely scrape by for a family of three. If you would have said $18 an hour, and $30,000 a year I would have had no problem with the middle class ranking... but your estimates are way blown out of proportion.

I doubt Bush smokes. He seems like the "can I get a bump" kind...

CK, the only entity that is for free gobal trading agreements is US government...Europeans are very well protected, so are the Japanese, especially from our goods, Chinese are bigger threat not just to us but to themselves, and they know it better then us, and trying to slow the economy down... Federal Reserve, specifically, Alan Greenspan has been including this warning about the possibility of major shifts from manufacturing to service economy in his report since he stirred the economy out of chaos back in 1987... This magic man warned us all along about that...Man has a class, he did it with subtle hints...but the money making machine was too busy to pay attention to him...

Well, don't forget that US govt=federal reserve, and what do you mean Europeans are very well protected?? They're relentlessly destroying all concepts of national sovereignity in the name of a totalitarian centralized mega-bureaucracy, the same way the US is apparently on the verge of merging with Canada and Mexico. And where are "your" goods made? In China. Greenspan did smart moves in the past simply because it wasn't convinient to set chaos loose YET. But now things have changed. http://www.perfecteconomy.com/

meaning that although things are more expensive in Europe because they slap on tariffs on all of the imports. and it sort of keeps employment at descent levels protecting middle class. where as Americans have to compete with Mexicans for the same job(not illigals here) but shifting manufacturing to mexico.

well... I would like to see a European car that has 400hp for $30,000

Anyone can get any ridiculous power number from any sized engine. The point here is to make it efficient & reliable while mass producing it. If GM can still make the smallblock do all of this for cheaper than the DOHC competition, why shouldn't they? Because its different? Thats a selling point if your marketing department knows what they're doing!