BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW Debuts at Geneva

Starting at 348,000 Euros

BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW
by Michael Gauthier
March 3, 2008 6:08 AM
Filed Under: Geneva Motor Show, German, Mercedes-Benz, Tuners

For the few individuals who thought the Mercedes AMG C 63 with 457 hp and 600 Nm of torque wasn't enough, Brabus has the answer. The company will use the Geneva Auto Show to introduce their C-Class based Bullit Black Arrow. Powered by a Brabus biturbo V12 that produces 720 horsepower and 974 ft-lbs of torque, the car takes 3.9 seconds to get from 0-62 mph while top speed is greater than 225 mph.

Other performance upgrades to the Black Arrow include a modified five speed transmission, a locking rear differential, aerodynamic enhancements, improved brakes, and an adjustable rear suspension. The car also has an aluminum hood with ventilation slots and Brabus wheels fitted with high-performance tires.

On the inside leather covers virtually everything, while custom sport seats with carbon fiber rear covers add a sporty feel. Carbon fiber trim has also been applied to the center console, doors, and dashboard.

Distinguishing the Bullit Black Arrow from last year’s Bullit is a special matte-black exterior. Pricing starts at 348,000 Euros and cars will be built on demand.

Source: Brabus
Press Release (Click to expand)

World Debut at the Geneva Motor Show 2008

BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW

The Four-Door V12 Biturbo Stealth Super Sports Car
With 730 hp (720 hp SAE net), 1,320 Nm (974 lb-ft), 0 – 300 km/h (186 mph) in 24.5 seconds and a Top Speed of More than 360 km/h (225 mph)

Ultra powerful, ultra fast and conspicuously inconspicuous: The four-door stealth super sports car BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW offers performance superlatives like no other car on the market: The basis for the car is the body of the new C-Class sedan, covered with a special matte-black coating. The BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo twelve-cylinder engine was dropped into the engine bay with almost surgical precision. Performance is staggering: 3.9 seconds from rest to 100 km/h (62 mph), 24.5 seconds for 0 – 300 km/h (186 mph) and a top speed of more than 360 km/h (225 mph). BRABUS produces the BULLIT BLACK ARROW in small-series production starting at 348,000 Euros MSRP.

The BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW ensures that the world’s fastest sedans continue to come from Bottrop. The BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW follows in the footsteps of the 330-km/h (206 mph) BRABUS E V12 based on the W 210-series Mercedes E-Class, the 350.2-km/h (219 mph) E V12 Biturbo of the new W 211 generation and the world’s current fastest sedan, the 365.7- km/h (227.2 mph) BRABUS ROCKET based on the Mercedes CLS.

Numerous modifications to the reinforced body were necessary to install the turbocharged V12 engine in the C-Class engine bay. The BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo engine is derived directly from the BRABUS ROCKET and uses the latest Mercedes S 600 engine that has been completely reworked in the company-own engine building shop.

Nothing beats displacement except even more displacement: A crankshaft with longer stroke, larger cylinder bore, and special pistons and piston rods increase displacement of the twelve-cylinder three-valve engine from 5.5 to 6.3 liters (336 to 385 cu. in.).

Cylinder heads optimized for faster gas exchange and high-performance camshafts also contribute to the increase in power output. They are assisted by a more efficient dual turbocharging system, special manifolds, larger turbochargers and larger intercoolers. Because of space constraints in the C-Class body an entirely new stainless-steel high-performance exhaust system with low back-pressure metal catalysts had to be developed.

The BRABUS motor engineers used state-of-the-art engine test benches to program new mapping for engine electronics and on-board diagnostics. The new mapping ensures optimal power yield while meeting strict EURO IV emission limits.

The BRABUS SV12 S Biturbo displacement engine, lubricated like all BRABUS high-performance engines with ARAL Synthetic motor oil, produces 730 hp (720 hp SAE net) / 537 kW at just 5,100 rpm. The peak torque of 1,320 Nm (974 lb-ft) is limited in-car electronically to 1,100 Nm (811 lb-ft).

Power is transferred to the rear wheels via a reinforced five-speed automatic transmission and a BRABUS limited-slip differential with a locking rate of 40 percent. Customers can choose from two final drive ratios. The BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW features all modern driving dynamics systems such as ABS, ASR and ESP.

The matte-black stealth street rocket delivers unique performance: Just 3.9 seconds pass for the sprint from 0 - 100 km/h (62 mph), 200 km/h (124 mph) is reached after just 10.49 seconds. And after just 24.5 seconds the car shatters the 300-km/h barrier (186 mph). Top speed is more than 360 km/h (225 mph).

At these speeds favorable aerodynamic properties are absolutely essential. The BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW was honed to perfection in the wind tunnel. The BULLIT front apron features large air ducts to supply cooling air for radiators and front brakes. Its sophisticated design further reduces lift on the front axle. Its aerodynamic counterparts in the rear are a three-piece rear spoiler and a rear apron with integrated diffuser. Both front and rear aprons are made from especially light yet highly robust autoclave-baked carbon fiber.

A wider track optimizes directional stability so elementary at speeds beyond 300 km/h. The BRABUS designers have styled aluminum wheel arch flares for front and rear axle. They are seamlessly melded to the production body and add six centimeters (2.4 inches) to the C-Class width. BRABUS rocker panels optimize the airstream along the sides. They also feature integrated entry lights that make entering and exiting the vehicle safer in the dark.

The visual appearance of the BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW is further characterized by the new aluminum hood. Its integrated ‘gills’ are not just distinctive features, they also ensure the engine’s thermal health.

The wheel arch flares provide space for especially wide matte-black BRABUS Monoblock S light-alloy wheels with high-performance tires from technology partners YOKOHAMA or Pirelli. The 9.5Jx19 wheels on the front axle are shod with size 265/30 ZR 19 tires. The rear axle is fitted with size 10Jx19 wheels and size 285/30 ZR 19 tires.

The height-adjustable coil-over suspension was developed specifically for the BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW. The gas-pressure shocks feature ten selectable settings each for bound and rebound. They provide a sporty yet comfortable ride and safe handling in any situation. Sport stabilizers reduces body roll to a minimum during fast cornering.

The BRABUS high-performance brake system can handle even the most extreme stress. It features 12-piston aluminum fixed calipers on the front axle that grip vented and grooved 380 x 37 millimeter (15 x 1.46 inches) brake discs. The rear axle stops with 360 x 28 millimeter (14.2 x 1.1 inches) discs and six-piston aluminum fixed calipers.

Exclusive individuality also abounds in the interior of the BRABUS automobile: The standard equipment package includes a fully leather interior hand-crafted in the company-own upholstery shop from the finest Mastik and Nubuk leathers.

The custom BULLIT seats offer a perfect combination of comfort and lateral support. Their carbon-fiber rear covers lend the interior an especially sporty feel. This look is complemented by carbon-fiber components on dashboard, center console and door panels as well as by the ergonomically shaped sport steering wheel and aluminum pedals and shifter.

BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW – Technical Data

Body


4-door sedan based on Mercedes-Benz C-Class, W 204 series

Steel unibody widened with BRABUS fender flares by 60 mm (2.36 inches). BRABUS aluminum hood with integrated gills.
BRABUS BULLIT aerodynamic-enhancement kit with BULLIT front and rear bumper manufactured from carbon fiber baked in an autoclave. Rocker panels with integrated entrance lights, three-piece rear spoiler.

BRABUS BULLIT BLACK ARROW with matte-black coating.

Measurements:
Length 4.590 mm 180.7 in.
Width 1.830 mm 72.0 in.
Height 1.402 mm 55.2 in.
Curb weight 1,850 kg 4,079 lbs.

Engine

BRABUS SV 12 S Biturbo displacement engine based on Mercedes 600

V12-cylinder 3-valve light-alloy engine with twin turbochargers
Displacement 6,233 cm³ (380 cu. in.)
Compression ratio 9.0 : 1
Rated power 730 hp (720 hp SAE net) / 537 kW at 5,100 rpm
Peak torque 1,320 Nm (974 lb-ft) from 2,100 rpm (electronically limited to 1,100 Nm – 811 lb-ft)
Fuel: Super plus (98 octane)
Motor oil: ARAL

BRABUS SV 12 S Biturbo engine conversion consisting of:
Displacement increase to 6.3 liters with special crankshaft with longer stroke, enlarged cylinder bore with corresponding larger pistons. Both cylinder heads feature flow-optimized ports and special camshafts. Two high-performance turbochargers with special exhaust manifolds; more efficient intercooling system and BRABUS stainless-steel high-performance exhaust system with low-back-pressure metal catalysts. Newly programmed mapping for engine electronics and on-board diagnostics.

Drivetrain

Rear-Wheel Drive

Reinforced five-speed automatic transmission
Gear ratios:
1st gear 3.59
2nd gear 2.19
3rd gear 1.41
4th gear 1.00
5th gear 0.83

BRABUS locking rear differential with 40 percent locking rate
Final drive either 2.65 : 1 (top speed 315 km/h – 196 mph) or 2.24 : 1 (top speed 350 km/h – 217 mph – electronically limited).

Suspension

Independent suspension front and rear with height-adjustable BRABUS coil-over suspension.

Front axle:
Three-link, anti-dive geometry. Height-adjustable BRABUS struts with coil springs and gas-pressure shocks featuring ten settings each for bound and rebound; BRABUS sport sway bar.

Rear axle:
Five-link, anti-dive and anti-squat geometry. Height-adjustable BRABUS struts with coil springs and gas-pressure shocks featuring ten settings each for bound and rebound; BRABUS sport sway bar.

Wheels:
BRABUS Monoblock S light-alloy wheels with YOKOHAMA or Pirelli high-performance tires.
Front: 9.5Jx19 H2 with 265/30 ZR 19
Rear: 10.0Jx19 H2 with 285/30 ZR 19

Brake System

Dual-circuit brakes with Brake Assist and BRABUS high-performance brake system.

Front: BRABUS 12-piston fixed aluminum calipers with vented and grooved 380 x 37 mm
(15 x 1.46 in.) steel brake discs.
Rear: BRABUS six-piston fixed aluminum calipers with vented and grooved 360 x 28 mm (14.2 x 1.1 in.) steel brake discs.

Performance

0 - 100 km/h (62 mph): 3.9 sec
0 - 200 km/h (124 mph): 10.49 sec
0 - 300 km/h (186 mph): 24.5 sec

Top speed: more than 360 km/h (225 mph)

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Comments

kevoluetion
March 3, 2008 6:14 AM
Nice, but RIP-OFF!

carcrazy1234
March 3, 2008 7:32 AM
couldnt find this price on this page:S:S how much is it exactley?

Joe_Limon
March 3, 2008 7:39 PM
starting at 348,000 euros, or about $530,000 usd

Joe_Limon
March 3, 2008 6:37 AM
I would rather have many other vehicles before this one heck I could afford a murcielago, ariel atom, and skyline GT-R for that price.

Bremen_Koenigsegg
March 3, 2008 7:19 AM
This is about as mad as the person claiming they can eliminate the Ebola virus using koalas and toothpaste. I think Clarkson already proved 507hp was too much power for the C-Class! And now they've slotted in a 720hp juicer? Even Sparta doesn't play host to such madness.

carcrazy1234
March 3, 2008 7:31 AM
imagine this with AWD... lol i think we could lower that 0-60 time to under 3 maybe with all that power... jebus

Bremen_Koenigsegg
March 3, 2008 9:03 AM
Developing an AWD system (maybe an evolution of Mercedes' 4Matic system) might be beneficial for Brabus. I don't imagine they have much of a hard time selling their cars, but it's been clearly shown two drive wheels are easily overwhelmed by the power they're producing with this 6.3L bi-turbo V12. Electronic limits are, after all, a completely unacceptable form of reigning-in wild horses.

kevoluetion
March 3, 2008 8:07 AM
starting at 348,000 euros

The_woo_factor
March 3, 2008 9:30 AM
Very nice colour! Extra-ordinary performance! Better than M3

driv3r
March 3, 2008 10:12 AM
Brabus better than M3... and costs 6 times as much :)) Now imagine what you can do with M3 for Brabus money :)

Verdano
March 3, 2008 11:20 AM
The only thing that you can do with these money to BMW M3 is to put the M3 to the GARBAGE, and buy Brabus......... ;)

driv3r
March 3, 2008 12:47 PM
think realistic: you will put brabus in garbage when 6 times cheaper car will beat brabus in all situations exept straight road. On TOP GEAR 725hp brabus wasn't faster than M5 with 507hp. :) Brabus is about luxury and good performance numbers, but not about usuability of performance :)

GoTTaLoVeBiMMer
March 3, 2008 9:57 AM
this is not a car its a Beast, but too expesive IMO

unknown
March 3, 2008 10:31 AM
over priced...there's a few video's of these cars on the website...the power is just too much for the streets. a waste since you are not going to use it.

wisp
March 3, 2008 12:44 PM
There they go again, M3 Bashing. My word this car M3 has really messed up your world gents, it's a car you love to hate, just like Muhammad Ali, Shumie, Lewis Maradona and all the world greatest were hated for there success. Oh i forgot to mention Tiger Woods and Roger Federer too - world beaters pipo have grown to hate. Merc may make a car with abnormal power but as it has proven again and again, their cars are only quicker on the Dyno. Put them to test on the track and they suck as does Audi too. A classic example is the SL 65 AMG - V12 BI turbo. This car was licked by the M6 at the 100 m and quater mile sprint. Merc cars are busy farting at take off's whilst the opposition is already carcking the precious metres. how sad.

kevoluetion
March 3, 2008 1:15 PM
Are u a BMW salesman?

AMGkompressor
May 28, 2008 7:04 PM
ok for everyone who doesnt know already should know now. Mercedes Benz is NOT i repeat NOT a luxury automaker anymore. Consider this, in the last 4 - 6 years weve seen AMG create a vast vast amount of high performance cars, infact they have more high performance vehicles than anyone 2 major car manufacturers. mercedes is more about sport and speed than bmw is i mean bmw has 3 "fast" cars whilst mercedes has around 10, not including the slr. o and btw a SL65 AMG smokes the m5 and m6 sooo badly its not even a race go look at the stats on em both and tell me otherwise. and FYI the clk black series outhandles any BMW.

The_woo_factor
March 3, 2008 1:34 PM
Come to think of it....this car is ridiculously overpriced

The_woo_factor
March 3, 2008 1:36 PM
i wonder when the power overload will stop. They just keep jamming more and more HP in cars..... it is just a HP war! U will never use the car's potential unless u have a race track.

phobos
March 3, 2008 2:49 PM
is it really stealth? can i dodge a missile with this car ?

Audi_fan
March 3, 2008 3:10 PM
i'd take the audi RS4 tuned by MTM...

burana800
March 3, 2008 3:19 PM
cmon guys you are taking this car waaaay to seriously.. Sure it doesnt make any sense and sure its overpriced and it wont handle like lotus, but if C63 is insane i really cant find words to describe this thing but I still think its pretty damn cool car. Looks so vicious and the paint is awesome. Id love to see JC driving this.. Cheers

wisp
March 3, 2008 3:48 PM
No, i'm an Aston Martin salesman, but i do give credit where it's due like on the RS6 avant which falls in the brand your worship kevo. The truth of the matter is that every RS6 or E63/65 AMG will build their car to compete directly with the M5, The same teams will build an RS4 or C63/65 AMG to try and unsettle the mighty M3 (M3 CSL avoided like the plague - several classes above the rest), The same groups again go out and try to build an A class, soon to be built A1 and now a Fiat 500 and some small Alpha aimed at bringing the MINI to it's knees. Guess what kevo it's not a coincidence that their target is BMW. Simply put we all try to beat the best in the class. BMW.

Verdano
March 3, 2008 6:06 PM
Ha-ha-ha....You wish! What about the S-class? For a 2005 the sells of W221 are always with 90000 per year pieces more than the 7series and A8 altogether.Who is the king now ;) ? You are jealous looser .... like every BMW fan :P

Joe_Limon
March 3, 2008 6:07 PM
hahaha you people are funny. Who really cares if a merc has 700hp. Seriously, MB cars look uninspired, depressing, and boring all at the same time. I was at a car show and the floor was packed with people, and honestly the MB exhibit had half as many people walking through it then any other exhibit (cept for kia of course). But as for beamers, they finally came out of the dark ages for design and actually look like a sporty luxury car (ahh thats what it is, MB forgets to add a sporty look to there cars). But it still comes to the point that if I could afford MB, I would buy two or three other cars instead, mix it up a little go just luxury/reliability in one and go just stripped down performance in the other.

kevoluetion
March 3, 2008 11:45 PM
I was hoping you weren't a salesman, coze obviously you are not very good with ur facts. I really dont know what you've been telling your customers.

kevoluetion
March 3, 2008 11:47 PM
The reason why Mercs and Audis mention BMW is because they are direct competitors, you would start to worry if they didnt.

THERENAISSANCEMAN
March 3, 2008 8:05 PM
i bet this car goes as fast as it quickly consumes fuel.

FOXHOUND
March 4, 2008 2:00 AM
i think this car is rather pointless. why would you drop all that cash, and waste all that horsepower, when the Mercedes AMG C 63 does the job just fine. and with the cash you save, you can buy a serious sports gt for the weekend.

wisp
March 4, 2008 8:15 AM
You will never hear a Merc exec compare there car to Audi as it does not at all mention Audi in the same way as it mentions BMW. They always compare there cars to BMW and Your cheap masked Jettas or VW's always mention BMW and not Merc. Like it or not Both Merc and Audi fear BMW. If at all you read widely on tests across the world especially here in the high altitude area, the Merc SL 65 AMG was embarassed at the tests. They used a racing veteran by the name of Sarel Van to test a Porsche 911 turbo, M3, RS4, R8, M6, Zonda, SL65 AMG and a few others. The test grounds was at an old airport (just like in nTop Gear). Oh by the way the slowst car was the RS4 and this is the car that he was least impressed with (fong kong engineering)On the M3 he said that this is the car he would love to recieve as a christmas present and he calle it a pure racers car. The SL 65 AMG he called it a car that can't handle it's power and is only good to drive in a straight line (why make a train when they are trains already), The M6 he compared to the M3 and was so impressed with it's award winning V10. What Audi fans have in common with Merc is a pain in their necks in the name of BMW. Deny it as much as you can, the truth of the matter is BMW oevrtook Merc donkey years ago and Audi is no where near. So Audi has first got to beat Merc before getting in the ring with BMW. Merc besides is car that is hanging on to it's past glory as a car with class coz the last time i checked Merc has included alot of Tupperware materials (plastic) in the cabin. Wake up and smeel the coffee...once beaten twice shy.BMW rules.

wisp
March 4, 2008 8:26 AM
Kevo, tae out your pen and start taking stats on how many times they mention BMW and not Merc. Is it to say that Merc is wither streets ahead of Audi or that it is not a worthy competitor? Examples are Audi launches M5 eater in form of the RS6 V10 bi turbo. Trust me despite the biturbos you'll be disapointed that your car may still lose to the M5 (ask Merc 65AMG, V12 - supercharged calimed 0 -100 in 4.4 secs - they failed to mention that tis stat is on a dyno and not on a track). 2. RS4 released and immediately targets a 6 cylinder, 3.2 litre 2002 car - yes the M3 and not the C55 AMG. A4 released and immediately targets the 3 series (the 3 series 325 goes on to win the World car of the year at that same point in time),S3 RELEASED AND TARGETS THE 130 (not the A or Bclass Merc nor Golf GTI), HELLO THERE DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR...The sad fact of the matter is that Audi goes on to realease an R8 by using Lamborghini engineering just so they can have the measure of BMW. Maybe Audi and Merc (they use abnormal cc what next a 10 litre, V16 E AMG)should use ET intellegence to beat BMW.

wisp
March 4, 2008 8:34 AM
A CLK is a cross breed of a hyena and a Ford Falcon from Australia. please that CLK 4 door coupe is a dinosaur already. and talk of a 2004 S class, they are trading fro less than R200,000 in south africa at second hand car dealerships. No one wants them. Haven't you also noticed the stolen cue designs from the 7 series on the S class. Dash board, boot lid and also the Rover 60's rear lights. oh i forgot the idrive.Now do you really think Merc is a class leader? no way they are currently stealing other pipos hard work and calling it innovation, yes they have a new way of stealing designs by mixing design cues from other car makers. Why is the side profile of Merc so close to the bangle design and (they didn't lift anything from Audi in design as like i have said before, Audi is a cheap masked VW Jetta)sudenly they have expanded their mag rim options just like BMW, sports pack just like BMW, cheap plastic dominated inetrior finish just like Toyota Corolla.CLK my foot, please man.

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 12:33 PM
Mate, how did Audi get mentioned in this pole? Face it, you are not over the fact that Audi has eaten your BMW in your other forums and you want to take it on whenever you see me post messages. So what if BMW is better? Thats your opinion anyway, no one cares about what you think. In case you didnt get that NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!

GO sell some AMs

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 12:45 PM
And by the way, since you like making conclusions from other peoples opinion rather than making them yourself, this link is for you, cheers.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20080214190624AA6sljD

Make your conclusion out of that. From an owner of bmws and audis. Not biased.

wisp
March 4, 2008 12:52 PM
No Kevo is on something really serious, probably an overdressed Jetta salesman. Oh by the way, your responese to my posts shows that you care alot, a bit melodramatic, lest to say any mention of the overdressed Passat or Jetta with crappy engines touches a raw nerve in you. That is the problem with people that drive VW Polo's they think that they drive an Audi, by the way an Audi is no where near a BMW nor Merc (i know you have read this before) face it it's a cheap alternative to the two in Germany or any other place. Eat your heartout on this and i know you'll read this from hfortysixit "Well the record has been broken at the Nürburgring. This BMW M3 CSL which makes 532hp, and 3140Lbs which beat a Pagani Zonda F for the previous record. The incredible thing is that the M3 CSL weights more by 400Lbs and has 70hp less. That pretty outstanding, must have to make it all up in the corners. Well you watch the video, be the judge of it. NOW THAT's WHAT I CALL A REAL CAR. STOP DRIVING SHOPPING TROLLYS.

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:30 PM
Well thats great! but it lost to an RS4, enough said....do your google research...Drive cars that stay on the road not slide around like an ice skating arena

wisp
March 4, 2008 12:56 PM
I thought you said i make conclusions from other peoples opinions, what does this website you've supplied me with make of you. Are you any different. I thought not - look before you look mate, i may just be your boss an office away and get back to work. Besides, please go fix your oil leak on that Polo of yours. BMW AUDI owner my foot, you don't even know the first thing about these cars. I honestly doubt you own a german car, probably a beetle.

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:25 PM
If you CAN READ, i said "since you like making conclusions from what other people say heres a link for you" 2 can play the game

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:26 PM
Whats wrong? I bet you didnt click on the link

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:35 PM
U telling me to get back to work? Look whose talking. I'd be wrinkly and in a nursing home before I wait till u reach boss level, from what u say, I'd say u r lucky to even have a job

wisp
March 4, 2008 1:00 PM
Even without that option, the 335i looks most balanced between sporty, elegant, ... the BMW is a better car out of all the cars period. i picked though s5 ... www.bmwblog.com/2007/11/18/comparison-2007-bmw-335i-2008-audi-s5-and-2008-infiniti-g37/ - 55k - Cached - Similar pages

wisp
March 4, 2008 1:07 PM
Which is a better car, i have read this website and i think someone didn't look before they supplied me with a website so i did my own research. Out of aproximately 10 respondents, only two of them choose the overdressed Passat/Jetta to the BMW. The score 8/10 to BMW. THE BRAND NAME MI BROER.

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:37 PM
which website was that? the www.iluvbmwbywisp.com?

wisp
March 4, 2008 1:09 PM
As good as the 2005 Audi A4 is, the 2006 BMW 330i, is unequivocally better. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Militant Audi A4 Owners of America. ... www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106052 - 41k - Cached - Similar pages

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:28 PM
How would you know? you ride a bicycle to your AM dealer

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 3:54 PM
FYI I own an S4 and my mum owns a BMW 120i, even she thinks 120i is no good, and is going to trade it in for an A3.

kevoluetion
March 4, 2008 1:17 PM
And a few things you didnt mention from the top gear comparision test is "they are all absolutely brilliant" and you did leave out the cockometer bit.

3Iceman
March 4, 2008 4:54 PM
I don't have time to read all the comments made by wisp. I have other smarter things to do. The difference is: of course BMW is a good car and are more sporty than Mercedes Benz. But I don't need a car that can go 150km/h through every corner becouse I am not Hamilton or Senna and I don't know how. Every MB is faster down the straight and that's more important than being faster on the track. If public roads are track for BMW drivers they should know that they are puting other people in to dangerous situations. If they want to kill themselves, they should look elsewhere. If I wanted to buy racing car then I would buy Impreza WRX STI. It's faster then every BMW and costs less. Mercedes Benz for life!

michelin901
March 8, 2008 6:20 AM
great car but yeah pointless in some way. the c63 is reasonable and aptly powered. but no way better than an m3 which i think is the best car on sale rite now. wat the heck i want a m3 and a c63 estate. n don start abt the rs4. its way behind in all depts.

Moviestar
March 11, 2008 8:07 PM
Yeah rite Merc wish 348,000, don't know which prat would pay that kind a money for C class .. looks sweet for 80K ... but for 348,000 no chance

Lutzie
April 11, 2008 5:37 AM
Brabus make some fabulous cars and this one is obviously more of a showcase for their capabilities than a real marketing proposition. Pop this engine in an S-Class or CL, then we're talking.

Lutzie
April 11, 2008 5:40 AM
And stop all this BMW vs Mercedes crap... they both make great cars and what you are likely to go for is simply a matter of taste. I've owned both and I prefer the more relaxed feel of a Benz now, but I respect BMW's immensely. Apart from the nasty 3 Series coupe (and Mercedes makes a similar horror in the CLC) they are all pretty fab.

AMGkompressor
May 28, 2008 7:23 PM
MB/AMG is greater than BMW/M. bmw's arent hand made, they are slower than mercedes, they are more frequent than mercedes (amg's per/year-per/model, 500)(M's have no limit to there production) there are now 3 M's to choose from, there are over roughly 15 AMG's to choose from

AMGkompressor
May 28, 2008 7:57 PM
wow wisp please keep ur mouth shut plz i mean ur making urself seem ignorant. ok the m5 and m6 use a 5 liter v10 engine the mercedes use a 6.2 liter v8. so really the mercedes engine is smaller and produces more hp (i.e. the cl63 sl63 and s63 make 525 hp whilst the v10 bmw only makes 507. i would much rather have a strong N/A v8(which won an award for the strongest N/A V8 production engine in the world)with only a liter more then having 2 more cylinders, thank you. sorry guys AMG arent some dumb americans who use 8 liter v8's to make the same power

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