Daimler Makes Breakthrough in Lithium-Ion Battery Technology

Debuting on S 400 Hybrid

Mercedes S400 Hybrid
Mercedes S400 Hybrid

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 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
while li-ion batteries in a vehicle are a big step forward, I can't help but wonder. 30mpg? What would have been cooler is a plug in hybrid that gave up to 40 or 50 mpg with the same engine configuration.
March 1, 2008 4:10 am
 unknown unknown
lithium is the way to go. 30 plus mpg compared to 18 mpg is definately a big step.
March 1, 2008 5:31 am
 fusion01 fusion01
Fantastic news. A big step in the right direction. An engine of this size is still more than ultimately I'd like to see in production (hardly necessary). Smaller engine and even lower carbon emissions!
March 1, 2008 5:25 am
 radmeister radmeister
That's where the S 300 BlueTec HYBRID comes in :). Should be great.
March 1, 2008 11:33 am
 massive911 massive911
and what about the tesla ? werent they first ? it doesn't even need diesel..... :)
March 1, 2008 7:29 am
 radmeister radmeister
Well yes, but what mercedes has done is found a way to make it more realistic of an option and more reliable. With the tesla you would notice big performance differences between hot and cold weather, and the inconsistency of temperature found in the tesla gives the resultant battery lifetime of only 100,000km. Like a computer the hotter it runs the slower it runs and will eventually overheat and short out, what mercedes has done is put a big ass heatsink on the battery practically to always keep it in the optimum operating temp thus increasing performance consistency and lifetime.
March 1, 2008 11:42 am
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
The battery life isn't 100,000 kms. The warranty is that long. Warranties are based upon the percentage of vehicles that will be returned. I am guessing 5-8% of the tesla car's will be fixed under warranty, in which case the owner has a brand new battery and another ton of miles they can put on their car. Also it's funny you can bring up mileage with a straight face. How many MB cars actually make it to 100,000kms? No I am not talking about reliability, I am saying for the price point most of these cars do not end up as daily drivers.
March 1, 2008 2:51 pm
 radmeister radmeister
I'm sure they will be daily drivers, i dont think anyone buys a hybrid with the intention of only using it on weekends for shopping. But the thing is these S Classes last a long time, maybe even 20 years, re-sale after re-sale, throughout the life of an S-Class hybrid i am sure it will accumulate over 100,000km. The thing with batteries is they are fairly predictable in breakdowns unlike mechanical parts, so im sure that when they did the statistical analysis for that warranty that the difference between their upper and lower 2.5% was only 10,000km or so not 50,000km, so really it might break down earlier and be under warranty, but most of them will probably break down shortly after the warranty. That's the way all cars are designed, to statistically break down after warranty on certain components.
March 1, 2008 7:46 pm
 Ubizzle Ubizzle
To Joe: Well, we've recently sold 2 MBs that have topped 170,000kms, do they count? Oh yeah, neither had a single fault and were from the "unreliable" era (09 onwards). I agree with the rest of your comment but the MB part is sheer, unadultered ignorance. MB are also back to making reliable, quality cars again, proven by their cars going much higher up in reliablity surveys since the A-Class (probs the first car of the new, more reliable bitch) topped the German reliability ratings 2 years ago.
March 1, 2008 11:47 pm
 ck314 ck314
Supposedly available with 2009 facelift = sweet.
March 1, 2008 2:01 pm
 tdroesch tdroesch
great news indeed from an environmental & technological perspective but what is the price premium to own one of these vehicles? looking at it from a financial (and admittedly selfish) perspective, hybrid vehicles are bad investments unless you drive a lot or plan to own your vehicle for a long time. the average cost savings per year would be about $1,200 USD for your typical driver (i.e. 15,000 miles/year with fuel at $3.50/gallon and a gain in efficiency from 18mpg to 30mpg). so over a 5 year period the savings is about $6,000. is it worth it?
March 1, 2008 2:21 pm
 ck314 ck314
This actually applies to diesel versions in Europe as well, where on average you need to cover more than 15,000Km/9,300 miles per year for it to pay off, yet most ppl buy it because it's the "in" thing or just snobbery.
March 1, 2008 2:32 pm
 surubutna surubutna
299hp looks awesome (in a hybrid)...
March 1, 2008 2:49 pm
 unknown unknown
they should at least make this technology in the smaller cars first. people that can afford a s-class wouldn't really worry about the mpg. maybe a tree hugger that has lots of money.
March 1, 2008 4:28 pm
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
why small cars? they are already good on the environment. If you make it on big cars/trucks you will see a far greater drop in emissions world wide.
March 1, 2008 6:23 pm
 DiscoDaddy DiscoDaddy
i wish they made a car that ran on bullsh*t. There would be an endless supply to go around. I think Mercedes is and always has been the pioneer in engineering with vehicles. Great job with this. Cars are starting to head in the right direction in general. They are made to go from A to B. Some people want to get there faster than others and some want to get there cheaper than others. I think this is a step in the right direction to get you there fast and and cheap and still look good doing it.
March 1, 2008 7:24 pm
 Joe_Limon Joe_Limon
they do, Lotus's triflex car runs on methane. And one of the best ways to produce methane is to gather cow fecal matter and let it rot and collect the gases. http://www.truehealth.org/methane.html
March 2, 2008 1:06 am